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Re: Point of No Return? Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impo ssible


From: Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com>
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:16:31 +0100 (BST)

Huh. So, I could still patent it, and make loadsamoney by licencing it 
out.

On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Nick FitzGerald wrote:

Drsolly wrote:

Damn - now that I've suggested it publicly, no-one can patent it.

Nonsense.

To prevent a patent being granted the patent applicant or patent 
examiner would have to know of it being published.  In practice, at 
least in the US, that means the applicant won't go looking terribly 
hard and neither will the patent examiner, as both have (different) 
vested interests in seeing the patent granted.

To show you how silly this all is, MS has a patent application in 
process, or maybe even granted now (this was mentioned sometime last 
year and got its fifteen minutes of feigning, "gosh, golly, ain't that 
clever" media coverage), for "rootkit detection" that essentially 
hinges, when you boil it all down, on "boot clean".

MS, as applicant, doesn't want to admit that this is simply ages-old 
common sense _as applies to doing ANY AND ALL intelligent system 
investigation_ and dollied it all up in lots of mumbo-jumbo language to 
make it sound extra-genuis and novel.  The patent examiner won't know 
enough to realize that this application really only applies general, 
well-established computer security knowledge to a very narrow, specific 
aspect of the more general, already known and widely discussed, 
published and implemented practice, and because of the obscure language 
MS' lawyers wrapped the application in, any obvious searches on 
apparently key phrases from the application will not return any 
apparently related hits, so it _will_ appear novel to the examiner's 
limited abilities to test its claims.

In future, if/when MS flexes this patent, all the other developers/ 
practitioners/etc using this technique will find themselves in the 
AV/Hilgraeve situation -- it will be far cheaper to swallow their pride 
and pay up (or even go out of (that line of) business) than to 
challenge such an utterly bogus patent...


Regards,

Nick FitzGerald

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