RE: U.S. Government Lawyer Defends Wiretapping Program

["StyleWar" <stylewar () cox net>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drsolly [mailto:drsollyp () drsolly com] 
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 7:11 AM
> To: StyleWar
> Cc: 'Richard M. Smith'; funsec () linuxbox org
> Subject: RE: [funsec] U.S. Government Lawyer Defends 
> Wiretapping Program
>
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, StyleWar wrote:
>
> > I think my point was that it might be easier to obtain a 
> nuke within 
> > the next 5 years....
>
> Possibly, but I can't see it ever being as easy as buying 20 
> airplane tickets and a few boxcutters.

Everything seems easier to do in retrospect I guess. I worked on a heavily
guarded military installation where an F-16 engine was stolen and driven off
the base... right past the guard shacks. Have you ever seen one? They don't
exactly fit in your pocket.  And it was sold. The perpetrators were caught,
but not before they made their sale.

You're trivializing what was accomplished, and you're being obtuse.  I'll
assume that it's because you're ignorant of what is possible....
 
> > and at that point, it's no more outrageous or 'sensational'
> > than the 9/11 plan was before it happened.
> >
> > In essence - we ought to stop calling a nuclear terrorist threat 
> > sensational... it isn't,
>
> It is.

It isn't.
 
> > and if you think it is now, you ought to wake up and smell 
> the coffee 
> > brewing in Tehran.
>  
> I smell the coffee brewing. But the way to handle it, is to 
> take the coffee pot off the stove.

lol - that's rich.  You should sell that foreign policy to Washington.
"Guys -- if we just built this large wooden BADGER...."

> > StyleWar
> >
> > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have 
> for lunch. 
> > LIBERTY is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Drsolly [mailto:drsollyp () drsolly com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:05 AM
> > > To: StyleWar
> > > Cc: 'Richard M. Smith'; funsec () linuxbox org
> > > Subject: RE: [funsec] U.S. Government Lawyer Defends Wiretapping 
> > > Program
> > >
> > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, StyleWar wrote:
> > >
> > > > A nuke in the states isn't any more far fetched than 3 fully 
> > > > loaded passenger jets putting the Pentagon into flames and 
> > > > collapsing both world trade center towers was in the year 2000.
> > >
> > > Flying jets into buildings, requires some flying lessons, 
> 20 aline 
> > > tickets and a few box cutters.
> > >
> > > Acquiring a nuke is a lot more difficult than buying 
> airline tickets.
> > >  
> > > > Especially when one considers the context of present-day
> > > Iran, which
> > > > has publicly addressed the United States as The Great
> > > Satan. They are
> > > > actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, and will be there
> > > during the
> > > > next President's term...The only questions are:
> > > >
> > > > 1. How would they keep the planning of it secret, while
> > > coordinating
> > > > delivery?
> > > > &
> > > > 2. Which port would they put it into?
> > > >
> > > > The answer to question number one has EVERYTHING to do with the 
> > > > NSA telephone monitoring program...
> > >
> > >   ... unless people avoid using the phone for this stuff.
> > >
> > > > and although I'm absolutely confident of my minority status on 
> > > > this list, I'm sad to see it being hung out to dry.
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > >
> > > > StyleWar
> > > >
> > > >                   "Do big things"
> > > >   
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org 
> > > > > [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of Richard M. 
> > > > > Smith
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:06 AM
> > > > > To: funsec () linuxbox org
> > > > > Subject: RE: [funsec] U.S. Government Lawyer Defends 
> Wiretapping 
> > > > > Program
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony can be contacted here at this email address:  
> > > > > tony.coppolino () usdoj gov
> > > > >
> > > > > A terrorist nuke sounds pretty far fetched to me.  I also
> > > don't know
> > > > > what it has to do with the current NSA telephone monitoring 
> > > > > programs.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, I'm curious about Tony's views on how the U.S. 
> > > > > government would handle an anonymous tip that a nuke had been 
> > > > > smuggled into DC and no one had a clue if the tip was 
> true or not.
> > > > > Richard
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org 
> > > > > [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of Fergie
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:42 PM
> > > > > To: funsec () linuxbox org
> > > > > Subject: [funsec] U.S. Government Lawyer Defends
> > > Wiretapping Program
> > > > > Via The Boston Globe (AP).
> > > > >
> > > > > [snip]
> > > > >
> > > > > A government lawyer used a dramatic scenario of a nuclear
> > > attack on
> > > > > Washington to illustrate his arguments Tuesday in defense of 
> > > > > President Bush's warrantless wiretapping program.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anthony Coppolino, a special litigation counsel based in
> > > Washington,
> > > > > said the Constitution gives Bush the right as commander
> > > in chief to
> > > > > do what is necessary to surveil terrorists and stop them from 
> > > > > attacking the United States, including interrogating 
> someone who 
> > > > > might have information about an imminent attack.
> > > > >
> > > > > [snip]
> > > > >
> > > > > More:
> > > > > http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/09/05/wiretap_
> > > > > program_justif
> > > > > ied_lawyer_says/
> > > > >
> > > > > p.s. Just as you would expect an attorney for the U.S. to do
> > > > > -- dramatize the situation to get a point across. YMMV. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > - ferg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson
> > > > >  Engineering Architecture for the Internet
> > > fergdawg(at)netzero.net
> > > > > ferg's tech blog:
> > > > > http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
> > > > >
> > > > >
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