Re: Re: wow - is a "shadow" politician still a politician?

["Daniel H. Renner" <dan () losangelescomputerhelp com>]

Drsolly wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Daniel H. Renner wrote:
>
> > Drsolly wrote:
> > > On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Daniel H. Renner wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wow! It appears I've missed one of those prized FunSec debates in my 
> > > > sleep.
> > > >
> > > > For all those that push the "need" to ban guns, because they are so-o 
> > > > dangerous I give you this challenge:
> > > > Put an (eek) LOADED gun on the table - and wait for it to do some 
> > > > damage.  You know, kill someone, rob a poor citizen, etc....
> > >  
> > > OK, I've done that. No-one got killed. Then I banned guns in the UK, and 
> > > our murder rate was suddenly one twentyth of the USA.
> > >
> > > And I have a theory about how this works. My theory goes like this - when 
> > > you have a lot less guns in the population, you get a lot less people 
> > > being killed by guns.
> > >
> > > Let me know what you think of that theory.
> > >
> > > Anyway - I'm all in favour of having lots of guns in America. That's 
> > > because I never go there.
> > >
> > > > Let me know how long it takes will ya?
> > > >
> > > > (Banning guns is like typical Western medicine - heal the effect, not 
> > > > the cause.)
> > >  
> > > Healing the effect sounds good to me. When I fell into a bed of nettles 
> > > and ow ow ow, the cream I put on my arm worked so much better than cutting 
> > > down all the nettles.
> > Ah!  Where you went wrong was in not closing the bottle that got you to 
> > fall in the bush...
>  
> It wasn't a bottle, it was a log I stood on, that wasn't as steady as it 
> had been a month before. And it wasn't a bush, it was a bed of nettles.
>
> Anyhow - point is, I was very pleased about the soothing effect of the 
> cream on my symptoms, and a scythe to cut down the nettles wouldn't have 
> helped at all.
I did get your pint, er, point. Honest I did. However - you missed mine.

Cutting down the nettles would have done no good, I fully agree.  The 
cause was not the nettles at all.  The cause then, would have been you 
standing on the rickety log, with the effect of you falling in a bed of 
nettles.

So, following the idea of Western medicine, cutting down the nettles 
would have been the perfect answer.

On the other hand, following the idea of handling the CAUSE would mean 
either making sure you don't climb on rickety logs, or if you do, making 
sure you have enough sense of balance to handle it without falling.

Similarly, handling the CAUSE of gun crimes would not mean banning guns. 
 Big deal, so the criminals make their own own, steal them, use swords 
or knives or baseball bats.

Rather, it would be handling why they are being criminal in the first 
place.  THAT would be handling the cause of gun crime.

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