Re: Re: wow - is a "shadow" politician still a politician?

[Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com>]

On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Brian Loe wrote:

> On 9/5/07, Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com> wrote:
>
> > > If I am killed on a plane by some loony then whoever it was that
> > > disarmed me is as guilty for my death as the loony. That is what I am
> > > saying.
> > >
> > > If you think guns and bullets are responsible for murders you'll
> > > probably never understand this.
> >
> > What I don't understand, is why gun-nuts persistently represent anti-gun
> > folk as having this idea.
> >
> > Guns and bullets aren't responsible for murders. They are responsible for
> > making it easier to commit murder. And quelle surprise - when somethng is
> > easier to do, it gets done more often.
>
> Murder does not rely on ease of execution.

Many of them do.

> To say so is to deny that
> murder is anything more than a normal, everyday human act...like
> traveling across the room. Does a gun make it easier to kill someone?
> Yes. Does that mean more murders will be committed when more guns are
> present? No.

Yes. Because when something is easier, more people can do it.

> Proof? How about revisiting gun ownership statistics that
> were on the list just last week. Based on those, I would say the US'
> murder rate would need to be 100-1000 times higher for a correlation
> to be made. The same argument is made for suicide and Japan, bless
> their hearts, prove it to be wrong annually.
>
> What I don't understand is anti-gun folks' inability to realize the
> obvious: if its easier to take a life with a firearm then it must be
> easier to defend a life with a firearm.

It's easy to show that isn't true. If it were, then it would be easier to 
defend a life using a terrorist bomb, because it certainly is easy to take 
a life using a terrorist bomb. 
 
> > Consider the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. The Jews there had guns. But the
> > Nazis still slaughtered them. Guns aren't some magic potion that makes you
> > invulnerable to harm. The progblem that you Americans have, is if your
> > government wanted to slaughter you, the popguns you own wouldn't do much
> > against the artillery, tanks and bombers that your government could
> > deploy.
>
> And what did they accomplish with those guns? Nothing?!

What they didn't accomplish, was survival. Which is what you keep saying 
guns are for.


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