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Re: Never forget...
From: "Åke Nordin" <polymorpevz () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:52:00 +0200
I can't resist any longer. On 9/12/07, Gadi Evron <ge () linuxbox org> wrote:
Let's be honest: 1. Guns are dangerous. 2. They won't likely help me defend myself in most cases I may encounter. 3. If I defend myself before I am dead, I may as well be as I will be in jail for the rest of my life. 4. If I forget my gun somewhere, GOTO 3. 5. If kids find it, GOTO 3. 6. If an accident happens, GOTO 3. I like sport shooting and I mildly like guns, as some like cars. But when it comes down to it, they are weapons, and weapons kill. And the responsibility is a killer.
Succinct and to the point. There is one more problem with being armed that I don't think has been mentioned, but that I think chimes in with the above. If I happen upon someone who is a threat (either in a general sense or towards me specifically), there is no certainity at all that I (or the society) would be better off if I was armed. If the punk in question really was after me personally, with some determination, I might (at least in theory) be better off with some means of defence, but it would inevitably escalate violence and the most probable outcome for me would be severe wounds or ultimate death. If the punk in question just was after some "action" or means to get the next fix, I'd certainly be far worse off being armed. Why? I would escalate the violence far beyond the point where I'd have any hope of control of the situation. Since 1) being able to really use arms in a pressed situation requires familiarity with the arms and the situation, and 2) I'd be far too cocky and offensive just because of the psychological influence of being armed. As a harmless, unarmed man I would have to submit to some (large or small) extent, but I firmly believe that I still would be far better off not escalating any violence. This is the reasoning behind arms-control legislation and the institution of a monopoly on violence (cops, mil). That in turn is the key property of the kind of society most people in the old western world wants to live in, and probably the most sought-after quality of life the refugees from not-so-benign societies wants when they come here. That this may be suboptimal when it comes to control over crime is actually not of central relevance, as long as crime is sufficiently under control. I personally believe that it is a sign of capitulation of society to the criminals when no such monopoly of violence (i. e. general ban of being armed) is upheld. In my book that would be neither fun nor very secure... -- Åke Nordin Unix/net geek, Netia.se consultant, Stacken member. Damian Conway: "The programmer is fighting against the two most destructive forces in the universe: entropy and human stupidity." _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: Never forget..., (continued)
- Re: Never forget... Brian Loe (Sep 13)
- Re: Never forget... Gadi Evron (Sep 13)
- Re: Never forget... Brian Loe (Sep 13)
- Re: Never forget... Drsolly (Sep 13)
- Re: Never forget... Brian Loe (Sep 13)
- Re: Never forget... Gadi Evron (Sep 13)
- Re: Never forget... Brian Loe (Sep 14)
- Re: Never forget... Gadi Evron (Sep 13)
- Re: Never forget... Brian Loe (Sep 14)
- Re: Never forget... Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah (Sep 13)
- Re: Never forget... Åke Nordin (Sep 12)
- Re: Never forget... Gadi Evron (Sep 12)
- RE: Never forget... Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah (Sep 12)
- RE: Never forget... Gadi Evron (Sep 12)
- Re: Never forget... Dude VanWinkle (Sep 13)
- Re: Never forget... Brian Loe (Sep 12)
- Re: Never forget... Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah (Sep 12)
- Re: Never forget... Brian Loe (Sep 12)
- Re: Never forget... Gadi Evron (Sep 12)
- Re: Never forget... Brian Loe (Sep 11)