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Re: DefCon 'Race to Zero'
From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org>
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:44:12 -0400
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:49:37PM -0400, B Potter wrote:
On Apr 25, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote:I'm sorry, but if people don't already realize that their behavior is already dangerous by reading the plethora of data, articles, research, blogs, etc. that is available, some controversial contest to write "stealthy" malware at DefCon ain't gonna do it either.Honestly, I think it's sad that everyone is scared of talking about/ building/demo-ing 0day these days. 10 years ago you could go to any security/hacker con and several talks would be revealing some new vuln/ exploit. IMO, that's changed dramatically due to several reasons:
I agree with both of you. I think it's fine that DefCon is going to have a malware construction contest. It may be entertaining. But let's not pretend that it will raise awareness: it won't. It won't be publicized beyond the circle that we work in, and even if it is, the people who most need to have their awareness raised won't hear about it or pay the slightest attention to it or modify their behavior in any way. They will continue to use worst-of-breed products like Outlook and IE, they will continue to click on anything shiny, and they will continue to subvert their own systems 24x7, thus saving attackers the trouble of doing it themselves. This is yet another version of one of Marcus Ranum's six dumbest mistakes in security: Number 5, educating users. As he says, "if it was going to work, it would have worked by now". ---Rsk _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Current thread:
- DefCon 'Race to Zero' Paul Ferguson (Apr 25)
- Re: DefCon 'Race to Zero' Colin Keigher (Apr 25)
- Re: DefCon 'Race to Zero' Rich Kulawiec (Apr 25)
- Re: DefCon 'Race to Zero' Eduardo Tongson (Apr 25)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: DefCon 'Race to Zero' Paul Ferguson (Apr 25)
- Re: DefCon 'Race to Zero' Colin Keigher (Apr 25)
- Re: DefCon 'Race to Zero' Paul Ferguson (Apr 25)
- Re: DefCon 'Race to Zero' B Potter (Apr 25)
- Re: DefCon 'Race to Zero' Rich Kulawiec (Apr 26)
- Re: DefCon 'Race to Zero' Joel R. Helgeson (Apr 28)
- Re: DefCon 'Race to Zero' Toralv_Dirro (Apr 28)
- Re: DefCon 'Race to Zero' Nick FitzGerald (Apr 28)
- Re: DefCon 'Race to Zero' Gadi Evron (Apr 28)
- Re: DefCon 'Race to Zero' Blue Boar (Apr 28)
- Re: DefCon 'Race to Zero' Nick FitzGerald (Apr 29)
- Re: DefCon 'Race to Zero' B Potter (Apr 25)
- Re: DefCon 'Race to Zero' Colin Keigher (Apr 25)
- Re: DefCon 'Race to Zero' 'Rich Kulawiec' (Apr 28)
- Re: DefCon 'Race to Zero' Gadi Evron (Apr 25)