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Re: Renesys on 'Internet Vigilantism'


From: "Paul Ferguson" <fergdawgster () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:02:20 -0700

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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org> wrote:


Thanks for the pointer.  I've just left this comment:

       Three notes: it's not the first time -- there have been other
       examples, to varying degrees, of both the Internet Death Penalty
       and the Usenet Death Penalty. One particularly well-known example
       is AGIS. Another extant example might be the Spamhaus DROP list.

       Second, we have been waiting for law enforcement to do something
       effective about spammers for approximately 25 years. They
       haven't, and they don't show even the tiniest sign that they
       will in the future. Waiting for law enforcement to do something
       is pointless and foolish, as they will only act (and even then,
       incompetently) when it's in their self-interest to do so, e.g.,
       when embarrassed or in need of a PR stunt.

       Third, self-defense isn't vigilantism. There is no requirement
       for anyone to passively endure years (and in the case of Atrivo,
       many years) of abuse while taking no steps to shield themselves
       from it. Nor is it required that anyone passively assist in
       transiting abuse to others while taking no steps to mitigate it.

---Rsk

Very nicely done.

- - ferg

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