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Re: Renesys on 'Internet Vigilantism'


From: Gadi Evron <ge () linuxbox org>
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:46:05 -0500 (CDT)

You know, I am starting to think it wasn't worth it.

On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Rich Kulawiec wrote:


Thanks for the pointer.  I've just left this comment:

      Three notes: it's not the first time -- there have been other
      examples, to varying degrees, of both the Internet Death Penalty
      and the Usenet Death Penalty. One particularly well-known example
      is AGIS. Another extant example might be the Spamhaus DROP list.

      Second, we have been waiting for law enforcement to do something
      effective about spammers for approximately 25 years. They
      haven't, and they don't show even the tiniest sign that they
      will in the future. Waiting for law enforcement to do something
      is pointless and foolish, as they will only act (and even then,
      incompetently) when it's in their self-interest to do so, e.g.,
      when embarrassed or in need of a PR stunt.

      Third, self-defense isn't vigilantism. There is no requirement
      for anyone to passively endure years (and in the case of Atrivo,
      many years) of abuse while taking no steps to shield themselves
      from it. Nor is it required that anyone passively assist in
      transiting abuse to others while taking no steps to mitigate it.

---Rsk
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