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Re: Renesys on 'Internet Vigilantism'
From: Gadi Evron <ge () linuxbox org>
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:46:05 -0500 (CDT)
You know, I am starting to think it wasn't worth it. On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
Thanks for the pointer. I've just left this comment: Three notes: it's not the first time -- there have been other examples, to varying degrees, of both the Internet Death Penalty and the Usenet Death Penalty. One particularly well-known example is AGIS. Another extant example might be the Spamhaus DROP list. Second, we have been waiting for law enforcement to do something effective about spammers for approximately 25 years. They haven't, and they don't show even the tiniest sign that they will in the future. Waiting for law enforcement to do something is pointless and foolish, as they will only act (and even then, incompetently) when it's in their self-interest to do so, e.g., when embarrassed or in need of a PR stunt. Third, self-defense isn't vigilantism. There is no requirement for anyone to passively endure years (and in the case of Atrivo, many years) of abuse while taking no steps to shield themselves from it. Nor is it required that anyone passively assist in transiting abuse to others while taking no steps to mitigate it. ---Rsk _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Renesys on 'Internet Vigilantism' Paul Ferguson (Sep 24)
- Re: Renesys on 'Internet Vigilantism' Rich Kulawiec (Sep 24)
- Re: Renesys on 'Internet Vigilantism' Paul Ferguson (Sep 24)
- Re: Renesys on 'Internet Vigilantism' Gadi Evron (Sep 24)
- Re: Renesys on 'Internet Vigilantism' Larry Seltzer (Sep 24)
- Re: Renesys on 'Internet Vigilantism' Nick FitzGerald (Sep 24)
- Re: Renesys on 'Internet Vigilantism' Rich Kulawiec (Sep 27)
- Re: Renesys on 'Internet Vigilantism' Nick FitzGerald (Sep 27)
- Re: Renesys on 'Internet Vigilantism' Paul Ferguson (Sep 24)
- Re: Renesys on 'Internet Vigilantism' Paul Ferguson (Sep 24)
- Re: Renesys on 'Internet Vigilantism' John C. A. Bambenek, GCIH, CISSP (Sep 25)
- Re: Renesys on 'Internet Vigilantism' Rich Kulawiec (Sep 24)