Re: The right to bear arms & make salad

[Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com>]

No wonder you want the right to bear arms, in the USA. How else are you 
going to defend yourself from the family member who loses their temper and 
picks up a handy gun?

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Richard M. Smith wrote:

> The murder rate in the U.K. is about 5 times lower than the U.S.:
>
>  
>
> http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapo
> n/
>
> In the UK (population c. 60.5m) there were 765 reported incidents of murder
> for 2005-6 (Home Office, undated) - a rate of about 1.1 per 100,000.
>
> In the US (population c. 298.5m) there were an estimated 16,137 homicides in
> 2004 (FBI, 2006a) - a rate of about 5.4 per 100,000. Of these, 10,654 were
> carried out with guns (FBI, 2006b).
>
> The murder rate in the U.S. has dropped a good bit in the '90s because we
> are putting more people in prison.  In fact, the U.S. has the largest prison
> population on the planet.
>
> Richard
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On
> Behalf Of Tomas L. Byrnes
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:07 PM
> To: Imri Goldberg; funsec () linuxbox org
> Subject: Re: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad
>
>  
>
> Since banning guns didn't stop the increase in violent crime, nor universal
> surveillance, more removing the rights of the law abiding must be the
> solution, right?
>
>  
>
> What happened to the fundamental principle in Common Law that no freeman may
> be debarred the use of arms?
>
>  
>
> The framers of the US Constitution could see the writing on the wall after
> the Restoration, hence they made sure that our pre-existing rights were
> fully codified.
>
>  
>
> And don't tell me this isn't about security. Physical security, the right,
> which without the means is meaningless, to defend your life, liberty and
> property, is the basis of all other rights.
>
>
>  
>
>   _____  
>
> From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On
> Behalf Of Imri Goldberg
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:15 AM
> To: funsec () linuxbox org
> Subject: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad
>
> For Brian Loe and Drsolly:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7508404.stm
>
> "Most fatal stabbings involve a weapon that is easy to obtain and sharp with
> it - a kitchen knife. Would stopping the sale of long blades with sharp
> points help save lives?"
>
> I think it's even more funny when you consider the fact that it's in the UK.
>
> Cheers
> Imri
>
> (hat tip to Alisa
> <http://alisainwonderland.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%A6%D7%A8%
> D7%95-%D7%90%D7%AA-%D7%94%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%9D-%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%99-%D7%A8%
> D7%95%D7%A6%D7%94stop-the-world-i-want-to/>  for the link.)

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