Re: The right to bear arms & make salad

["Richard M. Smith" <rms () computerbytesman com>]

Here's a very similar situation down south that ended very tragically:

 

   Natchez man shoots wife in mistaken home invasion

 
http://www.natchezdemocrat.com/news/2008/jan/01/natchez-man-shoots-wife-mist
aken-home-invasion/

 

Richard

 

 

From: Larry Seltzer [mailto:larry () larryseltzer com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:25 PM
To: Richard M. Smith; funsec () linuxbox org
Subject: RE: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad

 

There has always been a lot of violence and violent crime in the US. Thanks
to the second amendment we have the right to defend ourselves, which is the
point of the amendment.

 

Here's an example just the other day from the town I grew up in:
http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008807190395

 

Larry Seltzer
eWEEK.com Security Center Editor
http://security.eweek.com/
http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/
Contributing Editor, PC Magazine
larry.seltzer () ziffdavisenterprise com

 

From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On
Behalf Of Richard M. Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:56 PM
To: funsec () linuxbox org
Subject: Re: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad

 

The murder rate in the U.K. is about 5 times lower than the U.S.:

 

http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapo
n/

In the UK (population c. 60.5m) there were 765 reported incidents of murder
for 2005-6 (Home Office, undated) - a rate of about 1.1 per 100,000.

In the US (population c. 298.5m) there were an estimated 16,137 homicides in
2004 (FBI, 2006a) - a rate of about 5.4 per 100,000. Of these, 10,654 were
carried out with guns (FBI, 2006b).

The murder rate in the U.S. has dropped a good bit in the '90s because we
are putting more people in prison.  In fact, the U.S. has the largest prison
population on the planet.

Richard

 

 

From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On
Behalf Of Tomas L. Byrnes
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:07 PM
To: Imri Goldberg; funsec () linuxbox org
Subject: Re: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad

 

Since banning guns didn't stop the increase in violent crime, nor universal
surveillance, more removing the rights of the law abiding must be the
solution, right?

 

What happened to the fundamental principle in Common Law that no freeman may
be debarred the use of arms?

 

The framers of the US Constitution could see the writing on the wall after
the Restoration, hence they made sure that our pre-existing rights were
fully codified.

 

And don't tell me this isn't about security. Physical security, the right,
which without the means is meaningless, to defend your life, liberty and
property, is the basis of all other rights.


 

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From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On
Behalf Of Imri Goldberg
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:15 AM
To: funsec () linuxbox org
Subject: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad

For Brian Loe and Drsolly:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7508404.stm

"Most fatal stabbings involve a weapon that is easy to obtain and sharp with
it - a kitchen knife. Would stopping the sale of long blades with sharp
points help save lives?"

I think it's even more funny when you consider the fact that it's in the UK.

Cheers
Imri

(hat tip to Alisa
<http://alisainwonderland.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%A6%D7%A8%
D7%95-%D7%90%D7%AA-%D7%94%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%9D-%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%99-%D7%A8%
D7%95%D7%A6%D7%94stop-the-world-i-want-to/>  for the link.)
-- 
Imri Goldberg
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