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Re: But Facebook are not spammers [was: And Facebook sells user data, too ...]
From: Gadi Evron <ge () linuxbox org>
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 16:11:05 +0300
On 5/24/10 8:12 AM, der Mouse wrote:
I quite understand why you'd prefer to claim that [1] I do not understand the definition of spam (which none of us argued, and we based our discussion on) or that [2] I am not experienced enough to understand it.Well, you are certainly exhibiting a rather.."unusual"..understanding of it - of the "bulk" leg of the tripod in particular. Whether this is due to inexperience or stubbornness or what is actually pretty much irrelevant (though maybe interesting from a sociological perspective).
Quite. I find it fascinating that you refuse to even differentiate between spammers who illegally use resources such as botnets (i.e. compromised computers) and send completely forged emails with illegal scams in them, from emails sent by users through a web service that is equivalent to them, in their work environment, and sent each time specifically to one person whose email they type in. No matter how much you dislike what Facebook are doing, your refusal to differentiate between the two examples is something I can't comprehend. Further, you nor Rich specified complaints (which were backed up or followed up on) other than a generic dislike on how Facebook's emails work, other than the fact that they exist. This to me seems as not a serious argument, and therefore I now feel free to disregard your line of thinking as adhering to 1980s designs, before online services started connecting to each other in such a capacity. I am okay with this, as myself I also adhere to some older thinking. What I can't accept is your lack of arguments other than ad hominem, and more to the point, your use of ad hominem at all which is simply unacceptable in online discussions, in my opinion. And I think it is rather childish of you to aim these at me. Web invitations when done by user request, and without "nagging" or skipping opt-in, are an acceptable industry norm. Gmail does it. Yahoo does it. CNN does it. Those of them who do not adhere to these norms are treated as spammers. I recognize that anti-spammers have a heigher standard for email communication privacy and usage, and we can agree to disagree. FYI, I checked and Facebook indeed sends repeated reminders well after 30 days (I noticed they still send monthly reminders on a year-old invitation I made, which I then retracted) -- this is unacceptable, and a reasonable, specific, complaint against them. Gadi. _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Current thread:
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers, (continued)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers Jim Murray (May 25)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers Gadi Evron (May 25)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers Remo Cornali (May 25)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers Gadi Evron (May 25)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers Remo Cornali (May 25)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers Paul Vixie (May 27)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers Gadi Evron (May 27)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers [was: And Facebook sells user data, too ...] Rich Kulawiec (May 23)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers [was: And Facebook sells user data, too ...] Gadi Evron (May 23)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers [was: And Facebook sells user data, too ...] der Mouse (May 24)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers [was: And Facebook sells user data, too ...] Gadi Evron (May 24)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers [was: And Facebook sells user data, too ...] der Mouse (May 24)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers [was: And Facebook sells user data, too ...] Gadi Evron (May 24)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers [was: And Facebook sells user data, too ...] der Mouse (May 24)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers - here's a screenshot Gadi Evron (Jun 03)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers - here's a screenshot der Mouse (Jun 03)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers - here's a screenshot Gadi Evron (Jun 03)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers - here's a screenshot rackow (Jun 03)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers - here's a screenshot David M Chess (Jun 03)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers - here's a screenshot Valdis . Kletnieks (Jun 03)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers - here's a screenshot David M Chess (Jun 04)