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Re: But Facebook are not spammers [was: And Facebook sells user data, too ...]
From: der Mouse <mouse () rodents-montreal org>
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 19:58:02 -0400 (EDT)
And the main issue you have a problem with is bulk, right?
Not really; that's just the point we disagree on. Solicited bulk I have no issues with.
Please help me here with how an action taken by an individual user typing in emails is bulk?
I don't believe that's all that's going on here. Unless Facebook attracts people using MUAs with a "send to my entire address book and everything you can find in my mailbox" button and too little sense to realize when it's inappropriate to use it.
Gmail does it. Yahoo does it. CNN does it.I find it interesting that two of the three organizations you cite as justification for your position are ones I've had to block in toto because of blatant, egregious, and repeated abuse issues. Citing them in support of your argument is pretty close to an own goal, in my opinion.They are not a justification, they are an illustrative example, see above.
Still seems like an own goal. They are very illustrative indeed - of how abusive a mailer can be.
And here is the point, was the abuse done by them, or by their users?
By them. In the case of Yahoo, the final straw for me was once when I report4ed a spam drop-box webpage they were hosting; they replied with a "this mail wasn't sent through us" boilerplate, which of course was true but irrelevant. I wrote back pointing this out and get the same response. I cut everything - spam, previous correspondence, and all, and wrote a little two-line mail asking something like "is there anyone human alive ther?" and got THE SAME BLOODY BOILERPLATE BACK.
Removing of course the fact that Gmail hides IP addresses.
Why removing that? That's the first strike against gmail: they make it impossible to, for example, refuse all webmail from INTELSAT-CUST-VIENNA-TECHNOLOGIES-NG (to name just one of the eight or so netblocks that I do not want any webmail from, ever) without refusing all gmail webmail. For a long time that's all I did - but then Google (through the Google Groups brand, but I see little point in drawing a distinction between one of Google's faces and another) started spamming me. I've got the full story up at ftp.rodents-montreal.org:/mouse/misc/google-block.txt.
Hey, it's not Facebook's fault nobody likes you enough to invite you. :P
Heh. There's a Facebook group "campaign to get der Mouse on Facebook" or some such. I get their stuff through mailing lists and occasionally to alternative addresses such as my netbsd.org one. I don't know why I don't get their spam direct; maybe back when I was still bothering to complain about spam I sent them a complaint and they added me to their remove-list? I don't find their "please sign up" line in any of my saved "spam and spam complaints" mail, which makes that unlikely (I generally save complained-about spam, and the complaints, there), but I also can't account for it any other way - I looked for any reason to think my private blocking mechanisms were responsible and found none. /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse () rodents-montreal org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: But Facebook are not spammers, (continued)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers Gadi Evron (May 25)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers Remo Cornali (May 25)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers Paul Vixie (May 27)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers Gadi Evron (May 27)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers [was: And Facebook sells user data, too ...] Rich Kulawiec (May 23)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers [was: And Facebook sells user data, too ...] Gadi Evron (May 23)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers [was: And Facebook sells user data, too ...] der Mouse (May 24)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers [was: And Facebook sells user data, too ...] Gadi Evron (May 24)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers [was: And Facebook sells user data, too ...] der Mouse (May 24)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers [was: And Facebook sells user data, too ...] Gadi Evron (May 24)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers [was: And Facebook sells user data, too ...] der Mouse (May 24)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers - here's a screenshot Gadi Evron (Jun 03)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers - here's a screenshot der Mouse (Jun 03)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers - here's a screenshot Gadi Evron (Jun 03)
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- Re: But Facebook are not spammers - here's a screenshot David M Chess (Jun 04)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers - here's a screenshot der Mouse (Jun 04)
- Re: But Facebook are not spammers - here's a screenshot Rich Kulawiec (Jun 05)
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