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Re: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting
From: Josh Richards <jrichard () cubicle net>
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:54:16 -0700
* jlewis () lewis org <jlewis () lewis org> [20000830 21:56]:
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Richard Jimmerson wrote:
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The policy does state ARIN will accept IP-based hosting as justification for an allocation if an exception is warranted. ARIN is looking to the community to define these exceptions and finds the discussions being held here to be very helpful. This information will be includedWhy would ARIN announce a new policy with completely vague rules? Nobody knows what constitutes a valid exception. Apparently, even ARIN doesn't know yet. If I were applying for an increased allocation today, who would decide if the thousands of IPs that we and our customers have used for IP based virtual hosts are a valid or wasteful use of IPs?..the individual at ARIN processing our request?These discussions may create changes to the current policy, perhaps by clearly defining a list of exceptions, or may even eliminate the new policy altogether. Your feedback on this mailing list and at the upcoming public policy meeting is important.So a policy was announced before it was fully fleshed out. It may get fleshed...or it may get flushed. What was the point? Are you just trying to rattle the cages of every ISP in NA to see how many reactions you can get?
That is *exactly* my reaction. There are intelligent people at ARIN no doubt, but somebody dropped the ball on this one. If you put aside the disagreements of the who, what, why of IP-based vs. name-based virtual hosting the fact still remains that it is inconceivable to me that ARIN could create this policy without at least going through the thought process of what might constitute a valid exception *before* putting the rule actually into place. It's great that they're asking for feedback....but why now? W(hy)TF didn't this happen before putting the rule into effect? It makes me wonder what sort of procedures/criteria/training ARIN is actually providing to the individuals that handle the approval process.. Does anyone at ARIN realize that people, their own employees, have to enforce these rules? In order to enforce antyhing it has to be clearly spelled out. I sure hope they're not just expecting their employees to determine "valid exceptions" arbitrarily? That's not fair to anybody--employee, customer, or themselves (since it makes them all look incompetent). I do believe the core intent was *good*. The analysis and solution they came up with is questionable though. And the execution even worse. At the same time, I have this itching thought in the back of my head that makes me question how much I have a right to complain...being as how I haven't attempted to participate in ARIN politics. My defense is that I'm an optimist and was/am expecting a certain level of competence out of the people involved with ARIN that make these decisions. Perhaps that isn't the correct point of view for me to have... -jr ---- Josh Richards [JTR38/JR539-ARIN] <jrichard () cubicle net/fix.net/freedom.gen.ca.us/geekresearch.com> Geek Research LLC IP Network Engineering and Consulting
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- Re: IPv6 allocatin (was Re: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting) Jason Slagle (Aug 31)
- RE: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting Roeland M.J. Meyer (Aug 29)
- RE: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting J Bacher (Aug 30)
- Re: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting sigma (Aug 30)
- Re: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting Alec H. Peterson (Aug 31)
- RE: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting J Bacher (Aug 30)
- RE: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting Roeland M.J. Meyer (Aug 30)
- RE: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting Roeland M.J. Meyer (Aug 30)
- RE: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting Karyn Ulriksen (Aug 30)
- ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting Richard Jimmerson (Aug 30)
- Re: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting jlewis (Aug 30)
- Re: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting Josh Richards (Aug 31)
- Re: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting Kim Hubbard (Aug 31)
- Re: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting Josh Richards (Aug 31)
- Re: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting jlewis (Aug 31)
- Re: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting Alec H. Peterson (Aug 31)
- Re: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting J. Scott Marcus (Aug 31)
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- Re: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting Dana Hudes (Aug 31)
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