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Re: so, how would you justify giving users security? [was: Re: botted hosts]
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk () cybernothing org>
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:32:49 -0700
On 04/04/05, Gadi Evron <ge () linuxbox org> wrote:
Most people won't care about their "freedom" if they can do whatever they want by asking for it. Most users want Web, Mail and IM. Three things. How are any of these guys who could easily get their privileges (and your responsibilities) back again even going to guess that some big right is being taken away? They have complete freedom and x9000 more safety. They can even sign a paper stating exactly that. So, costs savings on bandwidth and support. Less net abuse. Ouch - less demand on AV sales? Run the numbers people.
Problem is, this conversation is mostly taking place amongst geeks -- and most of us geeks /do/ want open access. So the gut reaction is "oh shit, I won't be able to run my personal mail server at home anymore!" even though the consumers of consumer- grade services don't know how to do that, and don't care. -- J.D. Falk uncertainty is only a virtue <jdfalk () cybernothing org> when you don't know the answer yet
Current thread:
- Re: botted hosts, (continued)
- Re: botted hosts Peter Corlett (Apr 04)
- Re: botted hosts Florian Weimer (Apr 04)
- Re: botted hosts Peter Corlett (Apr 04)
- Re: botted hosts Petri Helenius (Apr 04)
- RE: botted hosts Ejay Hire (Apr 07)
- Re: botted hosts Sean Donelan (Apr 04)
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- Re: botted hosts Jay R. Ashworth (Apr 04)
- Re: botted hosts Paul Vixie (Apr 04)
- so, how would you justify giving users security? [was: Re: botted hosts] Gadi Evron (Apr 04)
- Re: so, how would you justify giving users security? [was: Re: botted hosts] J.D. Falk (Apr 04)
- Re: so, how would you justify giving users security? [was: Re: botted hosts] Gadi Evron (Apr 04)
- Re: so, how would you justify giving users security? [was: Re: botted hosts] Petri Helenius (Apr 04)
- Message not available
- Re: so, how would you justify giving users security? [was: Re: botted hosts] Jay R. Ashworth (Apr 04)
- Re: so, how would you justify giving users security? [was: Re: botted hosts] John Dupuy (Apr 04)