Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless

["Scott Weeks" <surfer () mauigateway com>]

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From: "Fergie" <fergdawg () netzero net>

> > mentioned haven't worked at all.  I'm just saying that
> there >has to be a better way than police-type actions on
> a global >scale.  Also, I'm sure many more smart people

> Personally, I think there is wiggle-room between what Gadi
> surmises (persoanlly, I think he is playing Devil's
> advocate), what everyone else may surmise as an effort
> into nothingness, and what Vixie professes (if anyone
> bothered to read what he forwarded -- I did, and very much
> agree).

I read it all carefully.  Twice.  I'm not taking sides here.
 Please don't put me in that position.  I'm only beating a
point to death.  Common NANOG futility.  You know the
deal...  :-)

 
> I actually think there is _a_lot_ which can be, and should
> be, done.

What?  That's what I'm trying to find out, but I'm not as
smart as most, so I can only point out the things that I
believe definitely won't work and why I think that. 
Hopefully by the application of flame to my butt by smart
people for saying what I do will spark some thought toward
the goal.


> I actually think there is _a_lot_ which can be, and should
> be, done.
>
> Turning a blind eye is unnacceptable, and right now, ISP's
> are in the spotlight w.r.t. doing just that:

> There is _major_ room for improvement, so I guess the
> relevant question becomes: Are people part of the problem
> or part of the solution?
>
> What's the measuring stick?

I get a 1984-like mgmtspeak feeling here.  I don't know how
to respond except with this attempt (in order): what are
some suggestions for the major improvement, people are both
the problem and the solution (as in everything) and the
measuring stick is a noticable decline in the nefarious
deeds on the public internet.

scott