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Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering]
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:49:51 -0400
You really can't read, can you?And I spoke to Martin about it personally. If he's OK with it, perhaps you should clam down?
-- TTFN, patrick On Oct 14, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
As for accusations, I challenge you to show where I accused them of anything.From: patrick () ianai net (Patrick W. Gilmore) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:09:58 -0400 Subject: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peeringIn-Reply-To: <a05493650910120441i27550f17qaa7d3377824afdda () mail gmail com > References: <a05493650910120441i27550f17qaa7d3377824afdda () mail gmail com >Message-ID: <0A37FD5D-D9D1-4D89-AC8A-105612BB8E39 () ianai net> ... It is sad to see that networks which used to care about connectivity, peering, latency, etc., when they are small change their mind when they are "big". The most recent example is Cogent, an open peer who decided to turn down peers when they reached transit free status.I never thought HE would be one of those networks.
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net> Date: October 12, 2009 12:49:02 PM EDT To: NANOG list <nanog () nanog org> Cc: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net> Subject: Re: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering
To be clear, I was not trying to imply that HE has a closed policy. But I can see how people might think that given my Cogent example. My apologies to HE.And to be fair, I'm pounding on HE because they've always cared about their customers. I expect Telia to care more about their own ego than their customers' connectivity. So banging on them is nonproductive.In summary: HE has worked tirelessly and mostly thanklessly to promote v6. They have done more to bring v6 to the forefront than any other network. But at the end of day, despite HE's valiant effort on v6, v6 has all the problems of v4 on the backbone, PLUS growing pains. Which means it is difficult to rely on it, as v4 has enough dangers on its own.Anyway, I have confidence HE is trying to fix this. But I still think the fact that it happened - whatever the reason - is a black eye for the v6 "Internet", whatever the hell that is.
Current thread:
- Re: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering, (continued)
- Re: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 12)
- Re: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering Seth Mattinen (Oct 12)
- Re: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering William Pitcock (Oct 12)
- Re: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering Randy Bush (Oct 12)
- Re: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering Steve Bertrand (Oct 12)
- Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering] Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 13)
- Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering] Mike Leber (Oct 14)
- Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering] Randy Bush (Oct 14)
- Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering] Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 14)
- Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering] Randy Bush (Oct 14)
- Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering] Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 14)
- Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering] Phil Regnauld (Oct 14)
- Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering] Randy Bush (Oct 14)
- Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering] Dave Temkin (Oct 14)
- Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering] Mike Leber (Oct 14)
- Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering] Charles Wyble (Oct 14)
- Re: IPv6 internet broken, Verizon route prefix length policy Jeff McAdams (Oct 12)
- Re: IPv6 internet broken, Verizon route prefix length policy Mark Andrews (Oct 12)
- Re: IPv6 internet broken, Verizon route prefix length policy Bret Clark (Oct 12)
- Re: IPv6 internet broken, Verizon route prefix length policy Mark Andrews (Oct 12)