Re: iOS 7 update traffic

[Fred Reimer <freimer () freimer org>]

I certainly don't want to put words in his mouth, but I thin Warren's
problem is that he can't upgrade his pipes.  Physics limits the bandwidth
available, as I think he is a satellite provider.  My argument is that if
I'm a satellite user I should be well aware, particularly because this is
not a new phenomenon, that there are times when my bandwidth will suck.
It is what it is.


On 9/19/13 3:06 PM, "Ryan Harden" <hardenrm () uchicago edu> wrote:

> To be honest, I don't see this as a problem at all. Use it as an excuse
> to upgrade your pipes, talk Akamai or CDN of choice into putting a cache
> on your network, or implement your own caching solution. As operators of
> the Internet we should be looking for ways to enable things like this,
> not be up in arms at Apple for releasing an update to their phone OS or
> making it available in a way that's inconvenient to our oversubscription
> policies.
>
> As a side note, how are some of you not aware of this? This has happened
> with every single Apple OS update since the iPhone was released in 2007.
> This isn't a new phenomenon. I realize some of you are too cool for
> Apple, but paying attention to traffic trends and keeping abreast of how
> new software releases might affect your utilization is part of properly
> running a network.
>
> /Ryan
>
> Ryan Harden
> Senior Network Engineer
> University of Chicago - AS160
> P: 773-834-5441
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Warren Bailey
> <wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com> wrote:
>
> > I own a galaxy note 2..tmo ran an update that pushed to unique IMEI's
> > sequentially. That way, you do not..
> >
> > 1. Murder your last mike packet network, which is your bandwidth
> > bottleneck.
> >
> > 2. Murder your ggsn/whateverpacketnodeyouwant closer to the core.
> >
> > 3. Anger your paying customers who would like to use packet data
> > successfully on an ios download day.
> >
> > These people (Apple) represent themselves as smart guys, but their
> > actions reflect otherwise. I bet this would be a larger deal to Nanog
> > people if your Internet stopped working as the result of 100% Linux
> > adoption. That is very close to what this is.. Tens of millions of
> > people trying to update their 13 ios devices at the same time. Who owns
> > a single ios device? A household could do 5-10gb worth of updates in a
> > single day..
> >
> > I personally do not own an ios device, and I see close to 3 gigs worth
> > of update traffic at my house. These things are everywhere, and this
> > problem will not stop.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Mobile Device.
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike () swm pp se>
> > Date: 09/19/2013 11:16 AM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: Warren Bailey <wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com>
> > Cc: Paul Ferguson <fergdawgster () mykolab com>,NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
> > Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Warren Bailey wrote:
> >
> > > Why does apple feel it is okay to send every mobile device an update
> > > on a single day?
> >
> > They don't, these are users who actively goes into the software upgrade
> > menu and pressing "upgrade".
> >
> > I believe the nagging won't start for quite some time.
> >
> > --
> > Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike () swm pp se