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Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality
From: Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com>
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 14:54:48 -0500
/em shrug I can't help it if you don't like real world data. On Mar 3, 2015 2:25 PM, "Barry Shein" <bzs () world std com> wrote:
Ok, then I no longer have any confidence that I understand what you were asserting. From: Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com>Odd how the graphing for the top 1000 Usenet servers showed exactly the pattern I predicted. On Mar 2, 2015 3:46 PM, "Barry Shein" <bzs () world std com> wrote:> Anything based on NNTP would be extremely asymmetric withoutsignificant> changes to the protocol or human behavior. > > We ran significant Usenet servers with binaries for nearly 20 yearsand> without for another 5 and the servers' traffic was heavilyasymmetric.> On Mar 1, 2015 9:11 AM, "Miles Fidelman" <mfidelman () meetinghouse netwrote: With all due respect it's like people act purposely obtuse just to argue. If you're a Usenet server (and most likely client) then it'll be somewhat symmetric. Depending on how many nodes you serve the bias could easily be towards upload bandwidth as msgs come in once (ideally) but you flood them to all the other servers you serve once per server, the entire traffic goes out multiple times, plus or minus various optimizations like "already have that msg" oh for the love of all that is good and holy do I have to type the entire NNTP protocol spec in here just to make sure there isn't some microscopic crack of light someone can use to misinterpret and/or pick nits about??? What was the original question because I think this has degenerated into just argumentativeness, we're on the verge of spelling and grammar error flames. I don't know how anyone who claims to have run Usenet servers couldn't know all this, is it just trolling? -- -Barry Shein The World | bzs () TheWorld com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD | Dial-Up: US, PR, Canada Software Tool & Die | Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989*oo* -- -Barry Shein The World | bzs () TheWorld com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD | Dial-Up: US, PR, Canada Software Tool & Die | Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989 *oo*
Current thread:
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality, (continued)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Miles Fidelman (Mar 01)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Scott Helms (Mar 01)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Miles Fidelman (Mar 01)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Scott Helms (Mar 01)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Miles Fidelman (Mar 01)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality John Levine (Mar 01)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality joel jaeggli (Mar 01)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Barry Shein (Mar 02)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Scott Helms (Mar 02)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Barry Shein (Mar 03)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Scott Helms (Mar 03)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Barry Shein (Mar 03)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Scott Helms (Mar 10)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Barry Shein (Mar 10)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Miles Fidelman (Mar 02)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Dave Taht (Mar 01)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Owen DeLong (Mar 01)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality David Conrad (Mar 01)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality manning bill (Mar 01)