Re: Whats going on at Cogent

[Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl () gmail com>]

Hello

Our network is connected as follows:

1) We are fully IPv6 deployed
2) We have direct peerings with Google, Apple, Microsoft, Akamai,
Cloudflare, etc
3) We have cache servers from Netflix and Akamai
4) We are peered with the route servers on NL-IX and STHIX CPH.
5) Transit from HE, Cogent, GlobalConnect.

I am not doing anything to force traffic to the Cogent link (why would I?).
But I am not doing anything to force it off either.

The nice people at Cogent will regularly call me and ask if I want to buy
more transit. However I can not make their network deliver more traffic. I
only fully control the outbound and that is a small fraction of our inbound.

I understand that measured by "AS rank" Cogent might have more, but that
does not translate to traffic in our case.  This got to be a problem for
them.

Regards,

Baldur






On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 2:41 PM Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:

> I guess first thing's first...  you aren't doing anything to force the
> traffic that way, are you?
>
> If you've got IPv6 deployed, chances are that no Google will be coming
> over that Cogent.  :-)
>
> CAIDA says Cogent is bigger.
>
> http://as-rank.caida.org/asns/174/as-core
> http://as-rank.caida.org/asns/6939/as-core
>
> Being an eyeball network, what's going to impact that kind of usage the
> most is where the next up connections to Netflix, Google, Akamai,
> Cloudflare, etc. are located. If they're closer via HE than Cogent, that's
> where your traffic will come from.
>
> Looking at your network specifically, Netflix isn't on either IX that
> you're on, so that HE traffic very well could be a majority Netflix.
>
> What do your netflows say?
>
>
>
>
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> *From: *"Baldur Norddahl" <baldur.norddahl () gmail com>
> *To: *nanog () nanog org
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 21, 2018 3:20:12 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Whats going on at Cogent
>
> Is he.net smaller than Cogent? Over the past 24 hours we had 6.7 Gbps
> peak from our HE link and 336 Mbps peak from our Cogent link. This is
> inbound traffic. We are eyeballs and our outbound is a small fraction of
> our inbound.
>
> Regards.
>
> Baldur
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 4:17 PM Dovid Bender <dovid () telecurve com> wrote:
>
> > We have been very happy with HE. It was a no brainer over cogent. They
> > are smaller (so are we). When there are issues they are real fast to fix
> > them, you also get the personal touch which you don't get with others.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Eric Dugas <edugas () unknowndevice ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I don't really get the Cogent/Google peering issues. I've been hearing
> > > this for years... How about fixing it already? Telling customer to get
> > > other transit providers to get to a given network is really bad.
> > >
> > > On a side note, HE is still HE but they're trying really hard to be a
> > > good netcitizen. They've finally pushed filtering for peers:
> > > http://routing.he.net. I wouldn't get transit from them, but in some
> > > markets, they're the only affordable IP transit providers.
> > >
> > > On Oct 16 2018, at 10:04 am, DaKnOb <daknob.mac () gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > When I call and mention it I’m told that it’s HE’s fault (despite the
> > > lovely cake), but when I also bring Google, then they tell me to get a
> > > different provider just for this traffic, or meet them at an IX and send my
> > > traffic from there.
> > >
> > > About the staff rotation I’ve seen it too, and I’ve also seen an
> > > increase in salespeople calling, for example when an AS is registered etc.
> > > in addition to the normal calls..
> > >
> > > On 16 Oct 2018, at 16:54, Dovid Bender <dovid () telecurve com> wrote:
> > >
> > > They call me every few months. the last time they emailed me I said I
> > > wasn't interested because of the HE issue. I have yet to get another
> > > email.......
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:29 AM, Ca By <cb.list6 () gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 5:16 AM David Hubbard <
> > > dhubbard () dino hostasaurus com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Have had the same sales rep for several years now; unfortunately he has
> > > no ability to fix their IPv6 peering issue so we’re slowly removing
> > > circuits, but otherwise for a handful of 10gig DIA circuits it’s been
> > > stable.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yep, this.  Whenever Cogent calls, this is what i tell them.
> > > Black-holing HE and Google ipv6 traffic, which is what they do if i use a
> > > default route from them, is dead on arrival.  Shows they make bad decisions
> > > and dont put the customer first, or even create such an illusion.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From: *NANOG <nanog-bounces () nanog org> on behalf of Ryan Gelobter <
> > > ryan.g () atwgpc net>
> > > *Date: *Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 6:04 AM
> > > *To: *NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
> > > *Subject: *Whats going on at Cogent
> > >
> > > Anyone else seen terrible support and high turnover of sales/account
> > > people at Cogent the last few months? Is there something going on over
> > > there internally? I'm sure some people will say Cogent has always been crap
> > > but in the past their account reps and support were pretty good. It seems
> > > to have gone downhill the last 12 months really bad.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Ryan