Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond

[Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists () gmail com>]

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 9:45 PM Ben Cannon <ben () 6by7 net> wrote:
> “They also run their links hot which create latency for anything flowing through it.”
>
> Mike, I’d have agreed with you - 15 years ago. Is this current at all?  My views on Cogent have evolved dramatically 
> over the years.  How recent is your data?

isn't any decision about any provider generally:
  "Will they carry my bits reliably, and on a path 'short enough' for
my requirements, at a cost I'm willing to pay?"

Whether cogent, telia, ntt, l3, all carriers have their issues in
certain places... some are the only path to certain other things.
Would you rather deal with a third party's ideas of customer-service
and upgrade/capacity augment? or would you rather be able to do that
directly? (for instance)

> -Ben
>
> > On Sep 16, 2019, at 4:21 PM, Mike Lyon <mike.lyon () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> > The argument has been listed numerous times so i didn’t want to bore people:
> >
> > 1. Sprint peering battle. Google it
> > 2. He.net peering battle. Google it.
> > 3. Google IPv6 peering battle. Google it.
> >
> > All of which point to them being pompous assholes.
> >
> > They also run their links hot which create latency for anything flowing through it.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mike
> >
> > > On Sep 16, 2019, at 15:59, Stephen M. <stephen.myspam () gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Please don’t praise or complain like we’re supposed to take it at a total face value. If you don’t like them so 
> > > much - we are you’re audience. Explain.
> > >
> > > If you like Cogent - explain.
> > > If you don’t like Cogent - explain.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > > //please pardon any brevities - sent from mobile//
> > >
> > > > On Sep 16, 2019, at 10:01 PM, Mike Lyon <mike.lyon () gmail com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Whenever asked about Cogent, i just say, “Friends don’t let friends use Cogent.”
> > > >
> > > > I’ve told two of their reps over the past two years that even if the service was free, i wouldn’t use it. And 
> > > > yet, they still call.
> > > >
> > > > -Mike
> > > >
> > > > > > On Sep 16, 2019, at 13:53, Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg () tristatelogic com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In message <E814E5F6-F386-4AAE-BADA-E423D299A4FB () delong com>,
> > > > > > Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Given their practice of harvesting whois updates in order to spam newly
> > > > > > acquired AS contacts, any time it is my decision, Cogent is ineligible
> > > > > > as a vendor.
> > > > >
> > > > > So I guess then that their aiding and abetting of fraud and IP block
> > > > > theft, as I documented here recently, is an entirely secondary concern...
> > > > > as long as they don't spam you, yes?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > rfg