Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

[Elad Cohen <elad () netstyle io>]

I'll vote for you!
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From: NANOG <nanog-bounces () nanog org> on behalf of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 11:46 PM
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Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election


I’m a very transparent guy, nothing to hide about how much I do for the community, including voluntary work for many 
folks that need and want to implement IPv6.



Probably that explains it!



El 13/5/20 22:32, "Elad Cohen" <elad () netstyle io<mailto:elad () netstyle io>> escribió:



Regards,

Jordi
"The IPv6 Company"

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From: NANOG <nanog-bounces () nanog org> on behalf of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 11:17 PM
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Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election



It is curious how many times we have heard that, not only heard in NANOG and other NOGs, but also in IETF, even debated 
in long thread with several IDs, and for some strange reason, we all missed that or maybe because nobody got the 
running code to demonstrate his/her point in a realistic way?



Instead, IPv6 is working for everyone that invest just a little bit of effort, in the only credible long-term solution.



Of course, like in any aspect of our life, always some people will believe that they can keep using legacy tools, I 
still see some people using abacus instead of the “calc.app”, it is nice, just for fun, but is not smart neither 
productive.



It is matter of what the world needs.



Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet







El 13/5/20 21:58, "NANOG en nombre de Elad Cohen" <nanog-bounces () nanog org<mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org> en 
nombre de elad () netstyle io<mailto:elad () netstyle io>> escribió:



Your home ISP will support IPv4+ packets exactly as it is now, because IPv4+ is based on the exact current IPv4 packet 
format. With the needed roundtable - IPv4+ will be deployed in the whole internet and fast.

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From: NANOG <nanog-bounces () nanog org> on behalf of David Hubbard <dhubbard () dino hostasaurus com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:44 PM
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Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election



It just keeps getting dumber by the minute.  My home ISP hasn’t even updated firmware to one that supports v6, but 
yeah, they’re surely going to update to your Frankenstein ipv4 because you’re going to give them a taste of addresses 
from the nightmare pool that will reach even less of the internet than v6.



From: NANOG <nanog-bounces () nanog org> on behalf of Elad Cohen <elad () netstyle io>
Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 3:41 PM
To: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike () swm pp se>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election



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Do you realise that this means you're requiring changing *every*
socket-speaking application in the world?

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Every internet host that will want to speak IPv4+ , will have an update (for example through the operating systems 
automatic updates mechanisms)





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It's taken us decades to get applications to use the new struct to support
IPv6+IPv4, resetting the timer back to 0 and starting over does not help
deployment. It just kicks it another 20 years down the line.

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I wrote about the usage of a roundtable in order to implement everything fast (the roundtable will include one 
representative from each of the operating system vendors, one representative from each of the routing equipment 
manufacturers and one representative from each of the 5 RIR's), if I will be elected to RIPE board I will do everything 
in my power so this roundtable will be formed fast and that the needed updates will be created fast. Each party in the 
roundtable will receive an amount of free IPv4 addresses from the new IPv4+ pool, and each ASN will also receive for 
example a /21 , home-routers and home-modems will not be needed to be updated and they will support IPv4+.





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You're just inventing yet another incompatible standard and you have to
touch everything, DHCP, DNS all applications etc.

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There is an adjustment to IPv4+ that the format of addresses will not be [0-655365].[0-655365]v4 - but it will be 
[256-511].[0-255].[0-255].[0-255]

So IPv4+ addresses will be in the format of IPv4 addresses - it will end-user adoption of IPv4+ easier and also 
integration in the applicative layer easier (as application developers will only need to set that the first number can 
be higher instead to support a new format of [0-655365].[0-655365]v4 )





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From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike () swm pp se>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:22 PM
To: Elad Cohen <elad () netstyle io>
Cc: Brielle <bruns () 2mbit com>; NANOG list <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election



On Wed, 13 May 2020, Elad Cohen wrote:

> LOL funny seeing you changing your mind by 180 degrees when someone you
> know in the community writing to you the exact same thing.

"In addition, the sockets API should be extended to support IPxl with a
new socket domain PF_IPXL which is identical to PF_INET in every respect
save that the IP addresses are 8 bytes long instead of 4."

Do you realise that this means you're requiring changing *every*
socket-speaking application in the world?

It's taken us decades to get applications to use the new struct to support
IPv6+IPv4, resetting the timer back to 0 and starting over does not help
deployment. It just kicks it another 20 years down the line.

You're just inventing yet another incompatible standard and you have to
touch everything, DHCP, DNS all applications etc.

--
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike () swm pp se

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