Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist?

[Jeff P <jeffp () jeffp us>]

I contacted you (and others) off list to avoid a public discussion on a
board dedicated to the discussion of networking to call out your misogynist
comment in a previous post with content that did not further any discussion
relevant to networking... If the admins are interested in the full content
of several messages that Javier J and I exchanged , I will provide the full
email chains to provide context to the single email posted here to any who
contacts me off list. But since you wish to make it a public discussion, I
would like to call attention to your failure to follow the usage guidelines
and code of conduct outlined in the NANOG terms of use as agreed to in
subscribing to this list:

https://www.nanog.org/about/code-conduct/
https://www.nanog.org/resources/usage-guidelines/

I suggest any one who wants to threaten other users, leave misogynistic
content, or leave irrelevant messages that are simply designed to degrade
others should think twice before they post it on NANOG. And then just not
do it. This is not the forum for that type of conversation. Please take it
to Twitter or Gab or Parler or Facebook or your platform of choice, but
NANOG as founded and conducted is for a technical discussion board for
networking and is not the platform for that kind of content. It is a waste
of time for those of us who are not interested in your opinion of any other
subject not directly related to networking to have to read through a
garbage post only to get slapped in the face with your lack of etiquette or
sense of decorum. We all agreed to the rules, and we should all act
accordingly.

JeffP
jeffp () jeffp us

On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 10:34 PM Javier J <javier () advancedmachines us>
wrote:

> Why are you emailing me?
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:54 PM Jeff P <jeffp () jeffp us> wrote:
>
> > SEE!?!
> >
> > With no evidence yet publicly acknowledged as to who added the AOC email
> > to the list now they are just accusing some random "A woman!"
> >
> > Words (The Pen) are mightier than any brute force (The Sword).
> >
> > And you did it without thought, just piled on. It came as natural to you
> > as putting on your shoes in the morning.
> >
> > JeffP
> > jeffp () jeffp us
> >
> >
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> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > From: Lorell Hathcock <lorell () hathcock org>
> > Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is
> > the policy about sharing email offlist?
> > To: Javier J <javier () advancedmachines us>
> > Cc: nanog <nanog () nanog org>
> >
> >
> > A-woman!
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Lorell Hathcock
> >
> > On Jan 18, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Javier J <javier () advancedmachines us> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I agree 100%.
> >
> > I know the emails on this list are public and that is fine.  What I don't
> > appreciate is that now my email address is in some politico's address list
> > because of someone's behavior.
> >
> > - Javier
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:20 PM Jon Lewis <jlewis () lewis org> wrote:
> >
> > > There's a world of difference between "don't expect list posts to be
> > > private to list members" and "don't forward the list to autoresponders."
> > > The stupidity of the latter, if it can be tracked down to who did it,
> > > should result in their removal from the list, at least until they
> > > explain
> > > what caused them to do that and have undone it.
> > >
> > > On Mon, 18 Jan 2021, Paul Timmins wrote:
> > >
> > > > The list has public archives. Draw your own conclusions on the policy.
> > > >
> > > > https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/
> > > >
> > > > On 1/18/21 2:40 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:
> > > > >  Not under that impression at all. That's very different from "what
> > > is the
> > > > >  policy" - at least in the groups I run, if the policy is "no sharing
> > > > >  offlist" and then someone does, there are consequences for that
> > > someone.
> > > > >  Anne
> > > > >
> > > > >  --
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> > >
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