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Re: CISSP-ISSMP
From: "Nathaniel Hirsch" <nh2 () njit edu>
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:46:45 -0400
Well filling out an SSAA is not all that complex. Hell if you use our tool XIAM it pretty much does everything for you. You fill out your min sec check list, go threw adding all the systems and what they have It checks them against all the stigs and you say if it passed or failed for each thing. It does pretty much everything except the actual testing and real analysis. And if you wanted to you could have it do the testing, I just don't trust it with out checking it myself. As for working well in a team I'm not sure what you are implying here. If it is that I do not work well in a team, you are mistaken, in every single one of my performance reviews I have always been commented on how good of a "team player" I am and what an asset I am to the team. As for bashing your coworkers, I feel, as does the rest of my office that if you are not pulling your weight around then its a problem and you are not working well. Now the guy I was talking about is clueless and does not pull his own weight, he is a CISSP, and a CEH, and an Oracle certified something or other, and he has his masters, and is working on his PHd. So on paper he looks like he is top notch, but after working with him for more then a hour you quickly realise that he does not know what he is doing. And that is my point, getting a cert or a degree is good as it gets your foot in the door in some places, but it is no substitute to real world experience and skill. On 5/9/06, Angelacci, Anna M CTR SPAWAR, J616 <anna.angelacci () navy mil> wrote:
I disagree Nathaniel. I work with peers that do not have the CISSP. They do know how to fill out templates required for submission of an SSAA, but they have no clue about application of security controls and attributes. They can't even complete a proper sentence if were not for a spelling and grammar checker. They can run the scanners, mitigate the risks based on the STIG references, but still have no clue what they are doing. I lucked out by getting an NSA test bank for the CISSP. If I did not have 7 years experience plus, in scanning networks, I would have failed. I also must admit, I am an MCT, CCNA, CNE, Dell Certified Server Tech, a 3COM Certified Fiber Installer, have over 238 college credits, and have worked for 27 years in the field. The CISSP does only test you on security attributes if that is the test bank you were lucky enough to draw. The test banks are designed to test you on application of the attributes, not application of the DITSCAP. The point to remember in all this is," Not one single person knows it all!" Working as a team and not bashing your peers is a formula for success, not just certs. Annie -----Original Message----- From: nat () morgothan com [mailto:nat () morgothan com] On Behalf Of Nathaniel Hirsch Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 4:19 PM To: Mohamed Abdel Kader Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com Subject: Re: CISSP-ISSMP I recently got my CISSP. The company that I work for paid for me to go to a class, and take the test assuming I passed. If I failed then the $500 would be on my nickle. Thankfully I did not fail. The main reason they wanted me to get my CISSP is now they can charge more for the work they contract me out to, this and you need it or some other equivalent to do level 3 and 4 DITSCAP testing. As for an ROI after I passed a got a 15% raise which was nice, but I was also up for a raise, so I can not tell you how much that was due to the CISSP, and how much was due to my overall performance at the company. Personally I feel that the exam and certification process is a waste of time, and so does everyone else at the company, but they are needed, or so they say. However we have a guy who works here who is a CISSP and a CEH(certified ethical hacker), and to be truthful, he is quite possible the most worthless tester I have ever had to work with, and everyone else in the office knows this. So having the cert doesn't make you good, and doesn't prove to anyone that you have experience or skill. It just proves that you can pick the correct answer out of a four possible answer on a 250 question multiple choice exam. As for giving an out of 10 scale for everything you mentioned I guess they would all be 5s because it all really depends on a lot of other things. As for what job its good for, I would have to say more managerial then anything else. The topics covered are really only puddle deep, not enough to know whats going on, just enough to know that it is going on though. Nathaniel Hirsch, CISSP Xacta Corporation 656 Shrewsbury Ave. Shrewsbury, NJ 07702 On 5/8/06, Mohamed Abdel Kader <makster12 () hotmail com> wrote: > Hi all, > I was wondering if anyone out there did the CISSP-ISSMP concentration. > I want to know the value added in the areas listed below, in an out of > 10 scale for example: > > Total ROI > Career Advancement > Industry Demand > Raise Potential > > Suitable for what job/position (not an out of 10 answer of course > :)) > > I also want to know the material to study from. > > Thanks a million. > MAK > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > This List Sponsored by: Cenzic > > Concerned about Web Application Security? > Why not go with the #1 solution - Cenzic, the only one to win the > Analyst's Choice Award from eWeek. As attacks through web applications > continue to rise, you need to proactively protect your applications > from hackers. 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- Re: CISSP-ISSMP Pete Herzog (May 10)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Levenglick, Jeff (May 08)
- Re: CISSP-ISSMP Bob Radvanovsky (May 09)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Angelacci, Anna M CTR SPAWAR, J616 (May 09)
- Re: CISSP-ISSMP Nathaniel Hirsch (May 09)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Williamson, Clyde (May 09)
- Re: CISSP-ISSMP Nathaniel Hirsch (May 09)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Arley Barros Leal (May 09)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Levenglick, Jeff (May 09)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Craig Wright (May 09)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Benson, Sean M (May 10)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Serge Vondandamo (May 11)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Benson, Sean M (May 11)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP McLaurin, Timothy (May 11)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP Serge Vondandamo (May 12)
- RE: CISSP-ISSMP David Gutierrez (May 12)