Re: Filtering by client IP address for Web App Sessions

[Javier Fernandez-Sanguino <jfernandez () germinus com>]

Evans, Arian wrote:
> Question for those outside of the US of A:
>
> In Europe, Asia, etc. do you have:
>
> 1. Any significant user population of your web applications
> comprised of AOL (America online) users?

Don't know.

> 2. Are there many ISPs or large organizations using megaproxies
> that swap client source IPs across entire classes of netblock (e.g.
> -like AOL does)?

In Spain the major ADSL provider (Telefonica, some other ISPs that are 
not Telefonica use Telefonica's network even if they sell direct to 
the customer) uses a transparent proxy for web access (I believe they 
are Inktomi's Traffic-Server).

They started using it January 2003. Originally they used 80.58.33.235, 
80.58.11.42, 80.58.37.107 and 80.58.33.170. Now it seems they use 
80.58.1.42, 80.58.1.44, 80.58.1.45, 80.58.1.107, 80.58.47.44, 
80.58.48.42 and 80.58.4.170 amongst others.

I haven't seen any public list of the IP addresses they use, if 
someone is interested I can provide a statistical breakdown of IP 
addresses based on web server logs. I can confirm that they use 
different class C networks all of which belong to the RIMA network 
(80.58.0.0/16)


> I've been telling people for years that you can't filter by source or
> even last octet netblocks and lately have been wondering if I'm dense
> and this is a US-centric bias of mine thanks to the ISP behaviors
> I've had to deal with over the years.

Well, even you obviously can't filter by source if using proxies, but 
what about the Via, Forwarded, X-Forwarded-For or Client-ip header? 
I've actually seen few reverse proxies that take this into account 
when providing a way to define IP-based filtering rules, but I believe 
there is sense in blocking some pestering users through those headers 
if needed be.

Of course, this information can be faked (if not going through a 
proxy), but in the case of these transparent proxies IF the TCP/IP 
source belongs to one of the caching proxies the Client-ip header is 
more difficult to forge by a rogue user.

Regards

Javier

PS: From their (public) documentation they use it for Http (only port 
80), Windows Media (port 1755), Real Networks (port 554) an QuickTime 
streaming (port 554 too)