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RE: Hackers Out of Business?
From: jeromie () mmp com (jeromie)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 10:16:39 PDT
Timothy J. Kordas writes;
Subject: Re: Hackers Out of Business? To: cklaus () shadow net Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 21:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Cc: bugtraq () crimelab com, firewalls () GreatCircle COM, mcn () lanl gov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type> : > text> Content-Length: 1192 Sender: bugtraq-owner () crimelab comThis all sounds like hyped up free software to me. Anyone disagree? -MikeI disagree. It is security that strikes back! Now we all can sleep at nite> > now that someone has finally figured out security and implemented it
correctly. 8-) I grabbed their technical FAQ from ftp.sctc.com. Rather amusing. They talk about how they deal with UDP packets and they say,'We dont allow any services that UDP packets.'. Well, Gee, I guess sidewinder isnt going to work well in a client-server based setup. But the most amusing part ofI too went and got their hokey little "technical FAQ" (a marketing pamphlet with nice little pictures of bombs). my first reaction to all of this kind a dreck is "well sure it'll be secure if> you take out all of the services."... that is EXACTLY what they've done. yeah the system is on the net, but why ?...you can't *DO* anything.
Well, I figured I'd throw in a little enlightenment to those of you who don't keep up with firewall systems. The basic going theory is to shut off UDP service (DNS is faked). Thus, they make a valid argument. Obviously their advertisments are trying to get publicity for the company. It's obvious Winn Schwartau thought he was writing another book when they made the brochures <grin> The product seems pretty good from what I've read thus far. It's rather layme that they claim they 'taunted hackers' when barely anyone I've spoken to knew anything about it. Another, more important note, is that they didn't bring it to people known in the industry for their security specialty. Iwould be a bit more willing to swallow this huge lump of sh*t if someone like Willam Cheswick or Steven Bellovin was the one doing the evaluation.
Current thread:
- Re: Hackers Out of Business? Michael Neuman (Oct 10)
- Re: Hackers Out of Business? Christopher Klaus (Oct 10)
- Strange stuff Craig Presson (Oct 10)
- Re: Hackers Out of Business? Timothy J. Kordas (Oct 10)
- Re: Hackers Out of Business? Doug Siebert (Oct 10)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: Hackers Out of Business? jeromie (Oct 11)
- Re: Hackers Out of Business? Michael Neuman (Oct 14)
- RE: Hackers Out of Business? jeromie (Oct 13)
- Re: Hackers Out of Business? Andrew Molitor (Oct 14)
- Re: Hackers Out of Business? jeromie (Oct 14)
- Re: Hackers Out of Business? J. Adams (Oct 15)
- Re: Hackers Out of Business? Christopher Klaus (Oct 10)