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Re: SATAN ATTACKS EVERYWHERE
From: bicknell () ussenterprise async vt edu (Leo Bicknell)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 12:41:13 -0400 (EDT)
Hey, are we still here?? Looks like we survived the numerous attacks from hordes of hackers armed with SATAN with the only desire to pillage and pilfer everyone's networks. The Internet has survived another mega hype negative story!
While I'll agree it's hype, I'll disagree with your logic for several reasons:
1. It is HUGE. It eats up tons of disk and ram space. When I tried to load up SATAN's demo information on a 16 meg machine here, it crashed from not having enough RAM. It requires 32 megs . (And I thought Windows was a memory hog). Like the administrator won't notice he only has 1 meg of ram left.
All the CS undergrads here have an account on a machine with more then enough resources (over 600 megs total RAM + Swap), and almost all of our lab machines can run it no problem. If they only scanned a few machines and then removed it we probably would not notice, save the fact we are using courtney to log such things.
2. It requires installing other packages like perl. Most hackers aren't able to run anything unless it's a no brainer script. "Gee the bad thing is we've been hacked and someone used SATAN, the good thing is that we got perl5 and a web browser installed."
Again, all of our machines have Perl 5 and Web browsers (5 I think) installed for Administrative purposes/class use. With the tools there it is a no-brainer script.
3. Since you have to use a web browser, you have to either run SATAN from the console (umm, really stupid hacker scanning from his own machine) or redirect the X Display to his own machine (still really stupid). Who knows,
Lynx, a text browser, works great. Plus, SATAN can be used from the command line to scan, and then the resulting data files can be downloaded to a local machine to view, if you're really crazy you can look at the database yourself, it's all in ASCII, and not too hard to read.
Hey, I am glad that SATAN really isn't the ideal hacker tool, but I wanted to point out (contrary to News Media) that SATAN is not the tool that will shut down the Internet.
I agree, within a week all the holes it checks for will be fixed on almost every machine in existance. My largest fear is since it's so extendable that some people will add new modules that scan for other things and make them so easy to add in all the lusers will pick them up.
On a side note, I have released ISS 1.3 which is available on ftp.iss.net /pub/iss/iss13.tar.gz which includes many more checks than what SATAN has specified. Also, it doesn't require installing any other outside packages, is in C, and doesn't require large amounts of ram nor disk space.
*wanders off to ftp*
Current thread:
- Linux/SATAN Adam Machanic (Oct 21)
- Re: Linux/SATAN Michael Galante (Apr 06)
- Re: Linux/SATAN Josh Wilmes (Oct 30)
- SATAN ATTACKS EVERYWHERE Christopher Klaus (Jul 23)
- Re: SATAN ATTACKS EVERYWHERE Leo Bicknell (Apr 07)
- Problem with SATAN/VMS David R. Sears (Apr 07)
- Re: Problem with SATAN/VMS Andreas Siegert (Apr 07)
- Re: Problem with SATAN/VMS Timothy Newsham (Apr 08)
- All.Net's security testing service Baltzer, Craig (Apr 07)
- Re[2]: Technical Observations on SATAN: Issue: VMS and TCP/I Nayfield, Rod (Apr 07)
- Re: SATAN ATTACKS EVERYWHERE Wolfgang Ley (Apr 09)
- Re: SATAN ATTACKS EVERYWHERE Christopher Klaus (Jul 25)
- Re: Linux/SATAN Michael Galante (Apr 06)
- Re: Shadowed PW file under Linux Cenon B.C. Marana Jr. (Apr 07)
- Re: Shadowed PW file under Linux John F. Haugh II (Apr 09)