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Re: Re: Anybody Recognize These Uploads?
From: "R. DuFresne" <dufresne () sysinfo com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 02:17:59 -0500 (EST)
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, R. DuFresne wrote:With regards to Internet security, there's enough blame to go around that it's silly to single out a single target.Yet, without 'targeting" how does one push for a *fix* to the situation as it now remains? Lusers will perhaps never *get it*, so, you point and push techie oriented folks in the hopes they can lern up and finally do get it. Or is there a better solution?I happen to disagree completely with your presumption that users can never be educated. If we don't take the time to teach them, we'll never see desirable results. If we instead spend our time brushing them off, and/or treating them like ignoramouses, we reap the harvest that we sew. IMHO, if I can teach my _mother_ (not at all computer literate) to understand basic security concepts, there's hope for the future.
It's okay to disagree, and yet, if lusers could learn so well, we;d certainly see far less trouble with e-mail viruses. Yet, there are many that can tell tales of repeat corporate infestations, often from the same middle-manager or group. Re-education of lusers to the e-mail virus threat alone tends to be a big budget item. There's at least one company <that contacted me via this list if I recall, not long ago> that makes it's profits from outsourcing by the corporate worlds, training their lusers for them. Commonsense seems to drop 50+ points once a person is cubicled, unless it's something that eminates from the florescent fixtures. That ole "it's someone elses job/responsibility" seems to take hold. Thanks, Ron DuFresne -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ admin & senior security consultant: sysinfo.com http://sysinfo.com "Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity. It eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart testing, only testing, and damn good at it too! _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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