RE: Hey old people

["Larry Seltzer" <larry () larryseltzer com>]

OK, obviously I was wrong about something here, although I'm positive that
the EXE format in DOS 2.x was new. Perhaps they are different format
versions and I jumped to a conclusion 

Larry Seltzer
eWEEK.com Security Center Editor
http://security.eweek.com/
http://blog.ziffdavis.com/seltzer
Contributing Editor, PC Magazine
larryseltzer () ziffdavis com 

-----Original Message-----
From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On
Behalf Of Drsolly
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 6:28 PM
To: Nick FitzGerald
Cc: funsec () linuxbox org
Subject: RE: [funsec] Hey old people

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, Drsolly wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, Drsolly wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Nick FitzGerald wrote:
> >
> > > Larry Seltzer wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yeah, that's right, and it was one of the reasons DOS 2.0 was
important.
> > > > You might have noticed that EXE files begin with 'MZ' (and the 
> > > > DOS 2+ MCB chain uses M and Z as identifiers). These are vanity 
> > > > marks for Mark Zbikowski, lead programmer on DOS 2.0, but he 
> > > > wasn't even a Microsoft employee when DOS 1 was written.
> > >
> > > So presumably LINK.EXE also first appeared in DOS 2.0 (or a later 
> > > version)?
> >  
> > Unfortunately, I no longer have my PC Dos 1.1 diskette.
>  
> And with PC Dos 1.1, you also got exe2bin.exe
>
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~rvtol/pcdos110.html
 
And edlin. Ah, edlin. I actually used edlin. When I first got a PC, 1983, I
was used to using mainframes and minis like the PDP and Vax. So I said, OK,
where's the editor, where's the compiler, because with mainframes and minis,
you use what's there, no choice. So I used Edlin and Basica for programming,
and I used it for a full six weeks before I realised that I could buy the
IBM Professional Editor and the Microsoft Fortran Compiiler.

And let me tell you, you don't want to use edlin as an editor, and Basic
programs (in that old version of Basic) set like concrete within a few weeks
of writing them.

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