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Re: Duh - Chaining Zeno?
From: "Dude VanWinkle" <dudevanwinkle () gmail com>
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:56:12 -0500
On 2/24/06, Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Dude VanWinkle wrote:On 2/24/06, Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com> wrote:On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:15:50 CST, RLVaughn said:"We also showed theoretically how to obtain the answer without ever running the algorithm, by using a 'chained Zeno' effect."It's shit like this that gets you '42' as an answer....The quantum counterfactual is one of the most weird aspect of the whole theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfactual_definitenessIt seems to me that Heisenberg is assuming that we will always use invasive technology to measure particle movement and velocity, but if we develop a passive way of measuring the momentum and positions, then wouldnt we be able to know both at the same time?Absolutely. If we could measure position and velocity without actually looking at the particle. Do you have a proposal for how that might be possible?
I have a cousin that works at JPL, he informed me (a year or so ago) about the wake effects of photons. Apparently the wake effect can actually bounce off itself (if you have photons traveling next to each other) and arrive before the photon, or "faster than the speed of light". If electrons and other particles also have a type of wake effect, or ay emissions, you could possibly use these to measure all kinds of stuff. Measuring a tiny effect emitted by an electron could possibly give us both the speed and position. The problem with the wake effect of photons, and why it took so long to notice them, was due to the fact that we were using light to measure light. So if you use a medium to measure that same medium, you arent gonna find anything faster or smaller than what you are using to measure with. Dont get me wrong, my GED hasnt really prepared me for all of this, but still; every time someone has said "cant be done" in science, they have been proven wrong. It may take a few centuries, but all absolutes are rendered a thing of the past. Absolutely all of them ;-) -JP _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Duh - Chaining Zeno? RLVaughn (Feb 23)
- Re: Duh - Chaining Zeno? Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 23)
- Re: Duh - Chaining Zeno? Barrie Dempster (Feb 24)
- Re: Duh - Chaining Zeno? Drsolly (Feb 24)
- Re: Duh - Chaining Zeno? Dude VanWinkle (Feb 24)
- Re: Duh - Chaining Zeno? Drsolly (Feb 24)
- Re: Duh - Chaining Zeno? Dude VanWinkle (Feb 24)
- Re: Duh - Chaining Zeno? der Mouse (Feb 24)
- Re: Duh - Chaining Zeno? Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 24)
- Re: Duh - Chaining Zeno? der Mouse (Feb 24)
- Re: Duh - Chaining Zeno? Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 24)
- Re: Duh - Chaining Zeno? Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 23)
- Re: Duh - Chaining Zeno? Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 24)