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Re: Here's how to get on the NSA's radar screen
From: Dave Killion <dave.killion () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:26:29 -0800
Well, not just that, but the NSA is forbidden from collecting on US nationals without a court order. I know there's been talk in the press about the presidential order loosening those restrictions, but I know for a fact it wasn't carte blanche. USSID 18 is still very much in effect. Having used the system for 2 years, and having once - by pure accident - adding a US nationals emails to a request (which was pre-reviewed, detected and removed = never actually processed) and then living through the nightmare of almost going to jail for it... No human would ever read the email you sent these addresses if sent from a US TLD. Trust me, the hype on this has always been out of control compared to the reality. And yes, this is an evasion technique, and one that both sides of the issue are well aware of (which is why, among other reasons, that most of these are US TLD anonymous accounts). -Dave Killion, CISSP On 1/11/06, Todd Towles <toddtowles () brookshires com> wrote:
Hi, Attached to the end of this message are email addresses of some of the 9/11 hijackers, people who are alleged to be associated with Al Qaeda, and contact email addresses for alleged jihadist Web sites. These are the type of email addresses that I suspect the NSA is looking for when it is monitoring email traffic on the Internet in order to "connect the dots". Richard M. Smith http://www.ComputerBytesMan.comRichard, I fail to see why the Government would watch for e-mail addresses of dead people, I am really. I would only assume from the very limit activity that I had seens that we would change e-mail addresses so fast it is stupid to have static searching list. Have you ever looked at the "jihad" video sites that release videos to the internet? They pack this vids on free anon file-sharing locations, edu servers and hacked japanese servers. A lot of information is traded on forums, etc...so scanning e-mails may only get part of the information you need. As you can tell from your list, most are free e-mail accounts. Why would they not use them once or twice and then change? Seems like a security risk to stay on the same one for too long....just my 2 cents anyways. Maybe I am wrong...who knows. -Todd _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Here's how to get on the NSA's radar screen Richard M. Smith (Jan 11)
- Re: Here's how to get on the NSA's radar screen David Ulevitch (Jan 11)
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- RE: Here's how to get on the NSA's radar screen Todd Towles (Jan 11)
- Re: Here's how to get on the NSA's radar screen Dave Killion (Jan 11)
- Re: Here's how to get on the NSA's radar screen Matthew Murphy (Jan 11)
- RE: Here's how to get on the NSA's radar screen Richard M. Smith (Jan 11)
- Re: Here's how to get on the NSA's radar screen Dave Killion (Jan 11)
- Re: Here's how to get on the NSA's radar screen Fergie (Jan 11)
- RE: Here's how to get on the NSA's radar screen Richard M. Smith (Jan 11)
- Re: Here's how to get on the NSA's radar screen Matthew Murphy (Jan 11)
- Re: Here's how to get on the NSA's radar screen Blue Boar (Jan 11)
- Re: Here's how to get on the NSA's radar screen Matthew Murphy (Jan 11)
- Re: Here's how to get on the NSA's radar screen Nick FitzGerald (Jan 11)
- RE: Here's how to get on the NSA's radar screen Richard M. Smith (Jan 11)