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RE: "Perspective: Wresting free from a software straitjacket"
From: Nick FitzGerald <nick () virus-l demon co uk>
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:52:48 +1300
ferg to Keith Young:
From Paul Vixie: http://news.com.com/2010-1002_3-6139456.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-5Exactly. When did we, the security community, stop believing in the K.I.S.S. principle and start believing in the "buy the latest IDS/IPS/firewall/enpoint-security/data-leak-protection/patching/vulnerab ility-scanner/harddrive-encryption/anti-malware/log-correlation/etc/etc/ etc/etc" principle that we are poorly implementing today?When the Internet stopped being a science project, and people started building businesses around it. The same snake-oil elsewhere in the business world leaks into cyberspace, too -- along with all of the other crapola. :-)
It is not just that simple that the evils of capitalism will out whereever its grubby money is cast... There were _tons_ of people from the _inside_ of the science project who really should have known better than pushing their 60's liberal hippie quasi-academic crapola that "information wants to be free" and the Internet _as it was then_ was clearly the only/best model of extending the reach of that freedom. Far too many of these jerk-offs complicitly joined the rapid deployment of the Internet as it was then into the commercial space and are at least as directly responsible for the crapola we have now as the capitalists are for layering their existant business models onto TCP/IP. In fact, being ever so slightly devil's advocate-ish, I'll suggest that those technologists are _more_ responsible because they at least should have known that the technology they were pushing was never designed, built _OR INTENDED_ for "safe" use in the open sewer networking environment so many of them then started pushing. _Their_ failure to act and recommend according to their own expert knowledge of what the Internet protocols were designed for makes them _more_ responsible than the capitalists who really only know the "take the best technical advice available about the new stuff you know squat about and make many investments in the hope a few pay off big" VC gambling model. The most laughable aspect of all this is that pretty much the very same technologists who failed us so badly, yet entirely predictably, all those years back, are _still_ in as exalted positions as they were then (if in fact, not more so, as we have entrenched many of them in quasi- official "Internet leadership" positions and like) and we _STILL_ seem to think they are the folk to turn to for advice on fixing the surplus excrement in the sewage system they foisted on us in the first place! C'mon folk -- are we really all that damn fucking stupid? Regards, Nick FitzGerald _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Current thread:
- "Perspective: Wresting free from a software straitjacket" Paul Vixie (Dec 01)
- Re: "Perspective: Wresting free from a software straitjacket" Florian Weimer (Dec 02)
- Re: "Perspective: Wresting free from a software straitjacket" Paul Vixie (Dec 02)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- RE: "Perspective: Wresting free from a software straitjacket" Young, Keith (Dec 01)
- RE: "Perspective: Wresting free from a software straitjacket" Nick FitzGerald (Dec 01)
- RE: "Perspective: Wresting free from a software straitjacket" Drsolly (Dec 02)
- RE: "Perspective: Wresting free from a software straitjacket" Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah (Dec 02)
- RE: "Perspective: Wresting free from a software straitjacket" Nick FitzGerald (Dec 01)
- RE: "Perspective: Wresting free from a software straitjacket" Drsolly (Dec 02)
- Re: "Perspective: Wresting free from a software straitjacket" Florian Weimer (Dec 02)
- RE: "Perspective: Wresting free from a software straitjacket" Fergie (Dec 01)
- RE: "Perspective: Wresting free from a software straitjacket" Nick FitzGerald (Dec 04)
- Re: "Perspective: Wresting free from a software straitjacket" Brian Loe (Dec 04)
- RE: "Perspective: Wresting free from a software straitjacket" David Harley (Dec 05)
- Re: "Perspective: Wresting free from a software straitjacket" Nick FitzGerald (Dec 05)
- Re: "Perspective: Wresting free from a software straitjacket" Brian Loe (Dec 05)
- RE: "Perspective: Wresting free from a software straitjacket" Nick FitzGerald (Dec 04)