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Re: cyber-9/11
From: Robert Graham <robert_david_graham () yahoo com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:00:23 -0700 (PDT)
It's a power grab by the government over the Internet. The easiest way to do a cyber 9/11 is to cut some cables and blow up a few data centers. Is there anything in that cybersecurity bill that addresses the most important threat? No, of course not, because it's not about cybersecurity, it's about a power grab. Chinese teenagers regularly break into computers in the federal government, but they don't cause power blackouts. This bill puts the computers controlling power systems under control of the federal government. --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Larry Seltzer <larry () larryseltzer com> wrote:
From: Larry Seltzer <larry () larryseltzer com> Subject: Re: [funsec] cyber-9/11 To: "Michael Collins" <mcollins () aleae com>, "Paul M. Moriarty" <pmm () igtc com> Cc: "funsec" <funsec () linuxbox org> Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 3:37 PM The Katrina line is also in the bill: (6) Paul Kurtz, a Partner and chief operating officer of Good Harbor Consulting as well as a senior advisor to the Obama Transition Team for cybersecurity, recently stated that the United States is unprepared to respond to a ''cyber-Katrina'' and that ''a massive cyber disruption could have a cascading, long-term impact without adequate co-ordination between government and the private sector.'' Perhaps "recently" means he said it on April 1. Larry Seltzer eWEEK.com Security Center Editor http://security.eweek.com/ http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/ Contributing Editor, PC Magazine larry.seltzer () ziffdavisenterprise com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Collins [mailto:mcollins () aleae com] Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:25 PM To: Paul M. Moriarty Cc: Larry Seltzer; funsec Subject: Re: [funsec] cyber-9/11 I preferred it when we called it an "Electronic Pearl Harbor". I also swore I saw someone call it a Cyber-Katrina last week. So many metaphors, so little time. On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Paul M. Moriarty wrote:Blow up peering points? Wait, I got it: Rent 100's of backhoes across thecountry. Dig in.- Paul - On Apr 7, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Larry Seltzer wrote:From the just-introduced Rockefeller-Snowe bill(U.S. Senate S.773)(http://www.infracritical.com/papers/cybersec4.pdf ): 2(10) According to the National Journal, MikeMcConnell, the formerDirector of National Intelligence, told PresidentBush in May 2007that if the 9/11 attackers had chosen computersinstead of airplanesas their weapons and had waged a massive assaulton a U.S. bank, theeconomic consequences would have been ''anorder of magnitudegreater'' than those cased by the physicalattack on the World TradeCenter. Mike McConnell has subsequently referredto cybersecurity asthe ''soft underbelly of thiscountry.''I read this and I have to ask, basically, WTF doesthis mean? On topof it not being within the capabilities of AlQaeda to do such athing, I have to wonder what they could reallyhave done.Larry Seltzer eWEEK.com Security Center Editor http://security.eweek.com/ http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/ Contributing Editor, PC Magazine larry.seltzer () ziffdavisenterprise com _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts.https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsecNote: funsec is a public and open mailing list._______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list._______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: cyber-9/11 Gadi Evron (Apr 08)
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