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Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups)
From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:32:31 -0400
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:04:08PM -0500, Dan White wrote:
So if I have a customer on Facebook that sends sPaM to another Facebook user (that happens to be using AOL), do I or AOL get the blame? No, even though we blindly relayed that message.
If you relay spam, then you share a measure of the responsibility for it. There is no "or", only an "and". As I said, *nobody* gets a free pass: everyone responsibile for emitting, supporting, or transmitting abuse is on the hook for it. The only debate (and it's not much of a debate, because it'll never be settled) is in what proportion. This is why responsible, professional people make sure that they don't make a habit of doing so. And why, on the other hand, many ignorant newbies and/or selfish greedpigs can't wait to do more of it.
I'm proposing a little more thinking outside the box here. SMTP does need to go way, and be replaced by something better: Something that does not inherently suffer from the problems of SMTP today, but is based on something with better two-way trust.
Protocol is irrelevant. *Nothing* a known-compromised system does can be trusted. ---Rsk _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups), (continued)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Dan White (Oct 13)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 13)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Dan White (Oct 13)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 13)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Dan White (Oct 13)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 16)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Dan White (Oct 16)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 16)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Dan White (Oct 16)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) G. D. Fuego (Oct 16)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 17)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) G. D. Fuego (Oct 17)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Larry Seltzer (Oct 17)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) G. D. Fuego (Oct 17)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) chris (Oct 17)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Dan White (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Paul Ferguson (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) chris (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (wasComcastpop-ups) Larry Seltzer (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) chris (Oct 19)