Re: Apple has a new toy

[Alex Eckelberry <AlexE () sunbelt-software com>]

I agree with your points.

I'm not an Apple guy (at all).

But I'm dammed impressed with this Ipad.

(Yeah, the Flash things sucks, but whatever, it's what it is.)


Alex


From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of Joel Esler
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:24 AM
To: Dan Kaminsky
Cc: <funsec () linuxbox org>
Subject: Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy

My point in saying that was that Windows 7, with touch controls is not a touch OS.  If you've tried to use Windows 7 
with your finger, it's essentially a mouse pointer under your finger.  It's inelegant, it's imprecise, and hard to use. 
 Apple took the time to figure out how people would use an OS that is touch, and they invented the iPhone and the iPod 
touch and continually refine it.

Make no bones about it, I'm an Apple guy, and apologist.  I've used Windows Vista and Windows 7 with touch enabled on a 
touch device, and it's not even close to the experience that you get on an iPhone or any of the future Apple devices 
that will be touch enabled (not just the iPad, but the Macbooks).

A touch OS is different from a regular OS.  A regular OS you navigate with a keyboard and mouse, a touch OS you 
navigate with your finger, (or several fingers).  You can do things in a touch OS that you can't do in a regular OS and 
Microsoft has not figured that out.  yet.  Even if you use natural devices like ink (a pen based device to navigate 
your OS), it's still a "mouse pointer".

Not saying they won't.  But they will.  We are on the edge of OS development.  We are going away from the "folder" 
"file icon" type of OS and computers that you navigate with your keyboard and mouse into a whole new field of OSes and 
devices.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Dan Kaminsky <dan () doxpara com<mailto:dan () doxpara com>> wrote:
What's the bright line?


On Feb 2, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Joel Esler <eslerj () gmail com<mailto:eslerj () gmail com>> wrote:
But Windows 7, despite what MSFT is trying to do, is not a touch OS.  The iPhone OS is a touch OS.

J
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Dragos Ruiu <dr () kyx net<mailto:dr () kyx net>> wrote:

On 28-Jan-10, at 3:06 PM, Hubbard, Dan wrote:
The gOOglePAD will have flash support, but it most likely will be a fake codec.

The Nokia minilaptop, which I just finally saw/held a real version of, is at about the
same price point as the iPad, runs Win7 and has a 3G connection but has real kb.
They are in the same weight range and I would argue are competing for the same
usage/market.

cheers,
--dr



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