Re: I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...

["Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec)" <michael.blanchard () emc com>]

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Walton [mailto:noloader () gmail com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:51 PM
To: Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec)
Cc: funsec () linuxbox org
Subject: Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let them drive in the HOV lane ...

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec)
<michael.blanchard () emc com> wrote:
> I am FULLY in favor of starting over…. I say there are a couple things that
> should happen to “reboot” the government if you will…
>
> 1)      Get rid of Democrat and Republican (and ALL others) labels…
Devil's advocate: should it be a multi-party system? Or a 0 party system.

Multi-party systems suffer the same gridlock. Nazi Germany comes to
mind with its 10's or 100's or political parties [not an invocation of
Godwin's Law].

---- ZERO party system... that is the backbone to the whole thing... Each candidate stands on his own issues and 
ideals....

> 2)      This is is *very* important….  FIRE the whole lot of them….
> Everyone that holds an office right now is fired, period.  I’d say at a
> rep/congressman/gov/president level at least.
Sparta - one of the first democracies - had it right. They term
limited public officials and put them on trial when their term was
over. It was a 'check' in the system. If a public official did nothing
wrong, then there was no problem with being investigated and possibly
tried.

Its funny how we lost that lesson over the last 1000 years or so.

> With those 2 steps, we’ll be able to get full fresh blood into all the
> offices, AND the people of these United States will actually have to pay
> attention to the candidates.
Related: I consulted with my lawyer on how to stop Obama from running
in 2012. I wanted to file for injunctive relief from the asshole
(assuming he would not get a bullet to the head from some pissed-off
voter).

It's not a crazy as it sounds: In 2008, Obama campaigned on (among
others): (1) withdrawal from Iraq; (2) financial industry reform; (3)
executive compensation reform; (4) normalization of relations with
arab countries; (5) 'reconstituionalize' Guantanamo Bay and the
prisoners. We got none of them.

That's why I voted for Obama in 2008. The justice system was not
equipped for the lawsuit. I had no recourse to redress my grievances -
even though he was a candidate at the time and did not enjoy executive
privilege.

---- your recourse was to NOT vote for him in 2012...

Jeff

> From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On
> Behalf Of Stephanie Daugherty
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:29 PM
> To: Jeffrey Walton
> Cc: funsec () linuxbox org
> Subject: Re: [funsec] I'll believe corporations are people when they let
> them drive in the HOV lane ...
>
>
>
> I've seen calls for direct democracy as a replacement for representative
> government. There is a serious danger in that, and that is tyranny of a
> majority. Look at Uganda's recent "kill the gays" bill - can we really be
> sure that even something as malicious as that couldn't pass here with Faux
> News cheerleading it on?
>
>
>
> Whatever may take the place of congress in the future, we do have to be
> mindful of the "dark side" of democracy - I mean, even in our own history we
> once thought slavery and alcohol prohibition were good ideas...
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Jeffrey Walton <noloader () gmail com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Dan White <dwhite () olp net> wrote:
> > On 02/04/13 17:10 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>
> > ...
>
> > > Don't be hesitant of starting over. Creationist should appreciate the
> > > biblical theme - nearly all ancient societies talk about the great
> > > flood. Chrisitianity turned it into Noah and the Ark. It should appeal
> > > to Evolutionist too. The fall of the dinosaurs led to the rise of the
> > > mamals.
> > >
> > > Starting over at times is righteous and natural.
> >
> >
> > Starting over, without fixing the processes that got us here is just going
> > to lead to the same result. Rapid incremental change (to legal code) is
> > what's
> > going to make the difference, but that's going to require a change in how
> > representational government works - as in cutting the representatives out.
>
> Funny you should bring that up :)
>
> I was not sure if I was being naive or optomisitic (when I question
> myself). Here, I hope the new group who would take their place would
> have fortitude, courage, and some sense of equity, morals and justice;
> and they would not travel in the same sewers.

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