Re: COVID-19 vs. peering wars

[Bradley Huffaker <bhuffake () caida org>]

Regardless of the possible gain from “solving” peering. 
You are talking about renegotiating thousands of individual 
agreements between hundreds of individual organizations, 
all while everyone is in lockdown.

or

You ask a handful of companies to make changes to their own systems. 
Good luck with the peering, I believe the bit rates have already been changed. 

Bradley 

> On Mar 21, 2020, at 4:31 AM, Matthew Petach <mpetach () netflight com> wrote:
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> I'm curious; 
> would people say that fixing peering inefficiencies could have 
> a bigger impact on service performance than asking that 
> Netflix, Amazon Prime, Youtube, Hulu, and other video
> streaming services cut their bit rates down?
>
> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51968302 <https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51968302>
> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/03/netflix-and-youtube-cut-streaming-quality-in-europe-to-handle-pandemic/ 
> <https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/03/netflix-and-youtube-cut-streaming-quality-in-europe-to-handle-pandemic/>
>
> It seems that perhaps the fingers, and the regulatory
> hammer, are being pointed in the wrong direction at
> the moment.  ^_^;
>
> Matt
> staying safely under the saran-wrap blanket for the next few weeks
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> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:31 AM Adam Thompson <athompson () merlin mb ca <mailto:athompson () merlin mb ca>> wrote:
> Every large ISP does this (or rather, doesn't) at every IX in Canada.  Bell isn't unique by any stretch.
>
> It's not in their economic interest to peer at a local IX, because from their perspective, the IX takes away business 
> (Managed L2 point-to-point circuits, at the very least) from them.
>
> Don't expect the dominant wireline ISP(s) in any region to join local IXes anytime soon, sadly, no matter how much it 
> would benefit their customers.  After all, the customer is always free to purchase service to the IX and join the IX, 
> right???  *grumble*
>
> In my local case, if BellMTS joined MBIX, un-cached DNS resolution times could potentially drop by 15msec.  That's 
> HUGE.  But the end-user experience is not their primary goal.  Their primary goal is profit, as always.
>
> -Adam Thompson
>  Founding member, MBIX (once upon a time)
>
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NANOG <nanog-bounces () nanog org <mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org>> On Behalf Of Sadiq Saif
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 9:38 AM
> > To: nanog () nanog org <mailto:nanog () nanog org>
> > Subject: Re: COVID-19 vs. peering wars
> >
> > On Fri, 20 Mar 2020, at 10:31, Steve Mikulasik via NANOG wrote:
> > > In Canada the CRTC really needs to get on Canadian ISPs about peering
> > > very liberally at IXs in each province. I know of one major
> > > institution right now that would have a major work from home issue
> > > resolved if one big ISP would peer with one big tier 1 in the IX they
> > > are both located at in the same province. Instead traffic needs to
> > > flow across the country or to the USA to get back to the same city.
> >
> > **cough** Bell Canada **cough**.
> >
> > --
> >   Sadiq Saif
> >   https://sadiqsaif.com/ <https://sadiqsaif.com/>