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Re: [privacy] Verizon Won't Give Government 'Unfettered' Record Access
From: "Brian Loe" <knobdy () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 09:23:33 -0500
On 5/15/06, Fergie <fergdawg () netzero net> wrote:
Traffic analysis between, say, my telephone number and anyone I call (and vice versa) is more than just looking at numbers -- it is looking at _who_I_call.
Nope, just numbers on a page. Besides, according to their statements, they're analyzing the data as a whole to pick up on patterns - which wouldn't be specifically looking at YOUR calls. Then again, we don't really know what they're doing and what they say they're doing doesn't make much sense to me.
I must respectfully disagree with you, and most importantly the SCOTUS, on this issue. Tracking who, when, and where I make telephone calls is constitutionally intrusive, in my opinion.
But they're not tracking shit - they're analyzing it in bulk.
Again, the real crime here is bypassing established legal processes -- the FISA court -- when obtaining this information, and in this case, the telcos just handed it over without a whimper (except for Qwest, who did The Right Thing).
Is it illegal? You might have a lawsuit against your telco for violating their own privacy policy - but if the government simply asked for the data and they gave it over, the government has done no wrong. If they SEIZED the data, that would be another thing. The data isn't owned by you, its owned by the telco and they can do pretty much anything they want with it, either give it to the government or to a telemarketing company - whatever. _______________________________________________ privacy mailing list privacy () whitestar linuxbox org http://www.whitestar.linuxbox.org/mailman/listinfo/privacy
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