Re: UK: Drivers may be banned from smoking at the wheel

[Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com>]

On Mon, 14 May 2007, Brian Loe wrote:

> On 5/14/07, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
> > On Mon, 14 May 2007 09:28:17 CDT, Brian Loe said:
> >
> > > The basic principle of any and all rights is: Your rights end at the
> > > tip of my nose. Now, given that knowledge, I'm hopeful that you can
> > > answer your own questions and avoid our moderators rath yourslef.
> >
> > So you *do* agree that *your* rights end at the tip of *my* nose, and that
> > therefor you're willing to concede those rights that extend further.  That's
> > contrary to your original statement:
> >
> > > I'm not in favor of giving up my rights for ANY purpose, btw. I don't
> > > have the right to live worry free.
> >
> > (ANY is *your* caps, btw) - that covers "including the purpose of not extending
> > past somebody else's nose".  You have the right to use imprecise language that
> > doesn't say what you actually meant... :)
>
> I'm so very sorry that you have such trouble with the English
> language, but here again is what I said, as you quoted it:
> > > Your rights end at the tip of my nose.
>
> Now what rights am I willing to give up again? After all, any that
> would do you harm are not rights to begin with, as I stated clearly in
> this oft quoted sentence.
>
> Here's an example I might give one of my children (who didn't take
> nearly this long to pick up the concept, btw): I have the right to
> travel. I do not, however, have the right to travel through someone
> else's property - possibly causing them financial damage.

We have that right here, and I exercise it almost every day.
 
> I have the right to do what ever the hell I like in my car while
> driving UNTIL I do you damage.

No according to the law. There's an offence called "Driving while under 
the influence", and you can be punished for that even if you don't do 
damage.

> Once I have damaged you, you and the
> society I live in have the power to make me pay for it in any
> reasonable and humane way.
 
Your rights don't end at the tip of my nose, they end some distance from 
there.

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