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Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers
From: "Tomas L. Byrnes" <tomb () byrneit net>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:38:17 -0700
This is, like so much else, hyperbolic and completely exaggerates the science. "The End of the Line" is as factual as "An Inconvenient Truth", meaning not very, and where It has facts, it uses them selectively, and takes the data to its most extreme conclusion. In CA, we aren't the generation that ends the fish. Our fish stocks, in may species (Giant Sea bass for one), are coming back. We're also in the middle of implementing the Marine Life Protection Act to create preserves where fish can breed, to add to the extensive network already in place on the channel islands, Farallons, and in the central coast. However, those on the other side of the Pacific can't seem to be persuaded. Once again, preaching to the converted. I'm a diver and sportfisherman (mostly catch and release, except for enough for that day's dinner).
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Kaminsky [mailto:dan () doxpara com] Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:18 AM To: Tomas L. Byrnes Cc: der Mouse; <funsec () linuxbox org> Subject: Re: [funsec] Rage against spammers and telemarketers It is very likely there will be no fish in the ocean in our lifetime. Literally, all fish, all gone. Lots of squid, but so long, thanks for all the fish. I think reasonable people can agree we shouldn't be the generation that ended fish, even if they are tasty. On Jul 23, 2009, at 8:40 AM, "Tomas L. Byrnes" <tomb () byrneit net>
wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec- bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of der Mouse Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:56 PM To: funsec () linuxbox org Subject: Re: [funsec] Rage against spammers and telemarketersThe planners: Enarques, Oxbridge and Ivy Leaguers are taking over the world, and will give us what they think we need, as opposed to what we want."What we want" has not proven to be a very good way to govern. There's even an idiom in English - "bread and circuses" - alluding to a rather famous failure of governing by direct popular mandate. While it is also somewhat apocryphal - it comes from a satirist's work - for it to have survived in live use indicates that its referent is common enough for us to need an idiom for it. "What they think we need" is more likely to be a useful
approximation
to "what we ened" than "what we want" is, I think; that's the point of education, after all. (And, I suspect, most of the apparent deviations from this are due to "them" giving "us" not "what they think we
need"
but rather "what they want us to have".)[TLB:] [TLB:] This post and your one regarding DDT have shown you for what you are: a misanthropic elitist who is trying to have his religion (Gaianism) established by law. It's OK that you don't believe in a Democratic Republic, human rights trumping those of animals, or free markets, and at least you are honest about it. Unfortunately, most of your fellow travelers who run the elite universities and have infiltrated the governments of the west are not so candid. If they were, they would be left ranting on listservs and usenet, as opposed to having armies and police forces at their command. This was the reason Madison insisted on the second amendment. Lest
the
government be perverted by an unaccountable elite. _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers, (continued)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers Charles Miller (Jul 22)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers der Mouse (Jul 22)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers Valdis . Kletnieks (Jul 22)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers der Mouse (Jul 22)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers Tomas L. Byrnes (Jul 22)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers der Mouse (Jul 22)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers Tomas L. Byrnes (Jul 22)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers der Mouse (Jul 23)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers Tomas L. Byrnes (Jul 23)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers Dan Kaminsky (Jul 23)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers Tomas L. Byrnes (Jul 23)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers Nick FitzGerald (Jul 24)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers der Mouse (Jul 22)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah (Jul 23)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers Charles Miller (Jul 22)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers Valdis . Kletnieks (Jul 22)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers Tomas L. Byrnes (Jul 22)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers John C. A. Bambenek, GCIH, CISSP (Jul 23)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers Nick FitzGerald (Jul 22)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers Tomas L. Byrnes (Jul 23)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers Nick FitzGerald (Jul 23)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers Tomas L. Byrnes (Jul 23)
- Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers Rich Kulawiec (Aug 03)