Re: Re[2]: guilty until proven innocent?

["Mary Landesman" <mlande () bellsouth net>]

> I'd worry a bit more about the seeds being sown.

I agree. That does worry me. A lot of what is happening in the world today
worries me. Will privacy even exist in any form when my son is grown? Places
like Sterling are already making a fortune off of databasing people's
personal histories and selling them for profit. How long before he has to
submit to a background check just to flip burgers at Mickey Ds?

I don't want him to assume it's okay. And I make it a point to address these
issues consistently enough that I hope he will never assume it's okay.
That's my job, I'm his parent, and it's my duty to impose my opinions on him
(/gg).

But in the case of the public schools (or private ones, for that matter), I
don't view their monitoring of computer use as a matter of being ok or not
ok. I view it as a matter of that's all they've got. I simply do not know
what else they can do that will adequately protect all the interests they
need to protect.

-- Mary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pierre Vandevenne" <pierre () datarescue com>
To: "Mary Landesman" <mlande () bellsouth net>
Cc: "Blue Boar" <BlueBoar () thievco com>; "'FunSec [List]'"
<funsec () linuxbox org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 5:16 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [funsec] guilty until proven innocent?


Good Day,

As a parent too, this is a complex issue. I've always felt that
porn/erotica was better than violence. I am aware that one of the
real issues with porn (outside the moral ones) is that it raises
(cough, cough) expectations and might end up impacting negatively on the
child/adolescent's psychological balance. But so does, in a very
dramatic way, a bullet or a Predator's missile strike.

> From a socio-historical point of view, we've always seen forces
working towards more control, and forces opposing them. Business as
usual, with the progressive forces, by definition, always winning.

ML> And this is just one of the many reasons monitoring is now being used.

It's not used everywhere. Just as metal detectors aren't standard
school equipment everywhere.

ML> Yes. It is unfortunate. But I don't place it in the same category as
phone
ML> taps, mail tampering, etc.

Well, you probably don't agree with those things because you see them
as fundamentally undermining democracy as it was taught to you.

ML> And I truly don't know what else the schools are
ML> supposed to do.

I think it is somewhat pernicious. When generations and generations of
children have accepted the fact that they are monitored, how attached
to "habeas corpus" will they be?

ML> bridge. Does this mean I own (part of) that bridge? :-)

If you were a man, you'd be allowed be drunk on the bridge at night
and piss on pedestrians below - but I digress...

ML> passes hands, so does the ownership. But that's just my opinion.

Agreed, but I'd worry a bit more about the seeds being sown.

-- 
Best regards,
 Pierre                            mailto:pierre () datarescue com


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