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Re: RE: [privacy] Frank Rich: Will the Real Traitors Please S tand Up?
From: "Fergie" <fergdawg () netzero net>
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:47:26 GMT
Now you're getting to the heart(burn) of the matter. That's the entire reason the secret FISA court was set up; it's basically a rubber stamp -- the FISA court's track record has been such that they almost never refuse a National Security Letter request, subpeona, etc. And they can even do it up to 72 hours after the fact. The Bush administration simply decided that they didn't have to get approval from the FISA court -- and even a FISA judge resigned in protest. No one is above the law, right? There is supposed to be checks and balances, right? http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/04/30/bush_challenges_hundreds_of_laws/ In response to the administration quashing any lawsuits that are attempting to get at the truth, they simply refuse them on grounds of National Security: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004659.php These telcos need to be held responsible. I think it is indefensible. - ferg ...and to think, they want us to trsut them on Network Neutrality, too. Right. -- "Jerry Hill" <malaclypse2 () gmail com> wrote: I must be missing something. Why in the world would a federal prosecutor in a high profile case use extra-legal means to obtain evidence when there is a perfectly good legal channel to go through? It seems to me that information obtained through the NSA's secret program is almost certainly unusable in court (because either the court will disallow it, or the NSA will object to the disclosure of the source of the information). I don't know anything about the legal climate in DC, but I know that I see enough subpoenas for call records come across my desk that the hurdle to obtain one can't be too high. -- Jerry -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg () netzero net or fergdawg () sbcglobal net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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