Fwd: Fwd: RE: [privacy] Frank Rich: Will the Real Traitors Please S tand Up?

["Jerry Hill" <malaclypse2 () gmail com>]

Sorry guys, I can't seem to get the hang of replying to the right
address.  This should have gone to the list, not Valdis personally.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jerry Hill <malaclypse2 () gmail com>
Date: May 15, 2006 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: [funsec] RE: [privacy] Frank Rich: Will the Real
Traitors Please S tand Up?
To: "Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu" <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu>


On 5/15/06, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 May 2006 14:46:36 EDT, Jerry Hill said:
> If it's anything like how police currently deal with call records obtained
> in a shady manner, they use the call records to get a good idea of who the
> culprit(s) are, and then fill in the backstory via other investigative
> means once they know who to concentrate on, so the call records never get
> entered as evidence...

Sure, I understand that you can work around the fact that you have
inadmissable evidence.  What I don't understand is *why* you would go
that route to begin with.

You have a straightforward, legal method of obtaining call records by
getting a subpoena.  Why is everyone jumping to the conclusion that
this information was obtained from the NSA?  Not only is it of
questionable legality and dubious admissibility, it's probably a lot
more difficult.  Not only do you need to know about the secret NSA
call record database, you have to get someone to access it for you and
send you the records for use in a politically charged domestic
prosecution, the exact thing these records aren't supposed to be used
for.

So, Occam's razor suggests to me that this is a routine disclosure
through legal means.  I don't discount the possibility of conspiracy
at work here I suppose, but it doesn't seem very likely.

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