Re: Will Amnesty International be taking up the case of DavidCarruthers of BetOnSports?

["Brian Loe" <knobdy () gmail com>]

On 7/21/06, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:

> You're talking about the *known* program.

Really, what other program can one talk about - those that we dream up
on the spot?

> Give me a *good* reason to believe there's not also a "content" program,

Cost.
Bonus: Resources

> given that we've already had Carnivore/Omnivore/whatever it is now, and
> a president that has publicly said "I am the only authority as long as we
> are in a never-to-be-ended war".  And even if it *starts* as "anti terrorism",

So you also believe that he is going to suspend the Constitution and
make himself a dictator? Or will we elect a new president that will
also do as you've suggested Bush has done?

> how soon before it has the *same* mission creep as we've *already* seen with
> the existing Patriot act (the DoJ advising local LEO how to use Patriot
> rules to go after crystal meth dealers rather than terrorists, etc).

Too late to fight that battle - you can't pretend to be outraged now
when, after all, the Patriot Act just bundled everything everyone has
done or wanted to do to fight the war on drugs a long time ago. Do you
think Clinton is a saint?

> It doesn't even matter *what* the other program is - the fact that the
> "anti terrorism flight data" program is apparently not *just* anti-terrorism
> doesn't give people warm and fuzzies about *other* programs behaving
> themselves.

I don't recall the government selling that program at all - so who
knows how they would market it, if they were marketing it.

> I'd expect that you, as a "civil libertarian", would be among the first to
> see that....

While that does mostly describe my political beliefs, you have me
confused with - I believe - Mathew who stated he was a civil
libertarian. I am curious as to why you chose to put quotation marks
around that term though - do you not believe there are such things as
"civil libertarians"?
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