Re: Canadian revolution

[Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com>]

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006, Brian Loe wrote:

> On 10/25/06, Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com> wrote:
> > People are, basically, good. That's a result of evolution - people who are
> > nicer to each other have a better survival rate than people who try to
> > kill each other. And so you'll find many, many congregations that are
> > good, despite their religion.
>
> In spite of and often because of their religion.

No - the impulses to good come from inside ourselves. The religions tend 
to push us in the opposite direction. Read whichever Holy Book is closest 
to you. I mean, really read it, without trying to gloss over the "bad 
stuff", which you only know is bad because of your own innate goodness.

> > But some religions start off from the assumption that people are,
> > intrinsically, sinful.
>
> This is true for many, especially Christians. However, if you start
> off bad, and you're in church, you must want to be a better person.

If you're in a supermarket, you probably want to be a better person. If 
you're in a park, or a baker, or a library, you probably want to be a 
better person. but if you're in a church, you're in the place that is 
espousing the ideas of the Holy Book that I just suggested you re-read.

> > That's the start of the wickedness. And then, many
> > of the more popular religions believe that people not in their faith are,
> > somehow, "doomed" and that it's their duty to show these people the One
> > True Path Of Righteousness, and some of them aren't too bothered about the
> > means they use.
>
> Yes, I hate it when those damned reformed Mormons knock on my door at
> 9am Saturdays!
>
> I can only assume, in this day and age, you're talking of Muslims.

Please don't assume that. Read, for example, the Holy Bible, which is full 
of war, murder and genocide.

> What percentage of the Muslim faith do you perceive to be evil?

I don't know it well enough to be able to estimate, but I don't see it as 
being much different from Judaism or Christianity.
 
> > You ask specifically about Christianity, so I'll give you examples from
> > that superstition.
> >
> > Read the saga of Dover, and how the religious wackos tried to install
> > creationism into education via the back door. Read about all the people
> > who believe that the world was created in six days. Read about all the
> > people who believe that contraception is a sin, and that condoms are evil.
> > Read about all the wackos who believe that homosexuality is an illness, or
> > a sin to be punished by stoning. And these are all "modern Christian
> > religions" in America.
>
> I'm in America and I appear to be less effected by this than you...go figure.
>
> > Now read about how Christians today torture children accused of witchcraft
> > outside America. Different countries, same group of religions.
>
> Well, we'll surely all burn for the sins of them...
>
> > http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/6/761.html?1052675662
> > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/witch1.htm
> >
> > > ..and its not even all of the Muslims in the middle east! I
> > > have not seen it myself but I'm sure there is a Muslim congregation
> > > somewhere that has done some good as well.
> >
> > And in the paragraph above, there's a searing indictment of religion. I'm
> > sure that *most* Muslim congregations do mostly good, because people are
> > mostly good despite their religion. But if you think that a good Muslim
> > congregation is a rarity, then you must believe that the issue is their
> > religion, because people are the same all over the world. And so, the
> > problem is religion.
>
> I didn't say that a good Muslim congregation is a rarity - I simply

I htink you did. You said you think there is a good muslim congregation
somewhere, meaning one. If you didn't think it was rare, you might have
said "I'm sure there are lots ..."

> have ZERO experience with ANY Muslims. I can turn on the TV and see
> what some evangelical church in Texas has done for some small village
> in Africa - not so for a Muslim congregation. 

That's possibly because you don't get Arabic television. Now, I don't ever 
see news items about evangelical churches in Texas.

> Sorry. The news is all
> bad, but I don't see the Muslim religion as a bad thing - Malcolm X
> converted and suddenly realized he was a racist. Works for me.
>
>
> > I would love to. But religious nutters think that their imaginary friend
> > has given them permission to interfere in my life.
>
> I think its your own self-importance that has placed you in that hell
> - and the fact that you give these groups/people power over you that
> they are probably unaware of.
>
> Live and let live.
 
If only they would.

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