Re: UK: Drivers may be banned from smoking at the wheel

[Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com>]

On Mon, 14 May 2007, Brian Loe wrote:

> On 5/14/07, Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com> wrote:
>
> > > The only way a cop has to know of most drunk drivers is to pull them
> > > over for something else. By then they've committed a crime of some
> > > sort
> >
> > Rubbish. Someone might drive into a tree. That's not a crime. But then
> > if you test them for alcohol and find they're drunk, then they've been
> > recklessly endangering everyone around them.
>
> So you admit that cops are only involved after the fact and therefore
> the law did nothing to prevent the drunk from hitting the tree?

I'm really not too bothered if a drunk wrecks his own car. It's his
recklessness getting me killed that infringes my rights.
 
> > > You've often stated that you enjoy visiting the pub, and having good
> > > beer. Do you walk? Does England not have a public intoxication law? Or
> > > public nuisance law?
> >
> > It's very simple. If I drink, then I don't drive. If I'm driving, I don't
> > drink. It's very simple, and very easy to do.
>
> Easier than answering a question even, eh?

I answered it. I might walk, or someone else might drive me, or I might 
get a bus or a train. But I wouldn't drive.

No, we don't have a public intoxication law. You can be drunk in public, 
that's your problem (unless your driving a car, then it's a problem for 
other people too). Yes, we have a public nuisance law.
 
> > Once again, there's such a thing as recklessly endangering other people.
> > Getting tanked up and trying to control a ton of hurtling vehicle is just
> > that.
>
> Agreed, if that's what they're doing - as observed by a copy watching
> the swerve going down the road or what have you.

Well hurrah! You're agreeing that getting druk and driving a car should be 
illegal! I was wrong, maybe you are educable.


> > I suppose you'd be cool about someone firing a gun ionto a crowd of
> > people, provided he was lucky enough to not actually hit anyone.
>
> No reasonable sane person would believe that one could fire a gun into
> a crowd and not hurt someone. Plenty of reasonable people have gotten
> behind the wheel of a car and that exactly that - and most don't hurt
> people.
 
Good! So you agree that reckless endangerment should be a crime, even if 
someone isn't actually hurt.

So now you understand why we have drunk-driving laws.

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