Re: When are we going to start profiling? WAS RE: Don't spend too much time in the bathroom...PLEASE

["Tomas L. Byrnes" <tomb () byrneit net>]

It used to be that security was run by the airlines, and many of the
policies that were in place then were adopted by the TSA.

Who paid for the airport depends on which one. Most US airports are
financed on bonds paid for by landing fees and airport concessions, IE
out of your tickets and what you spend at the airport.

How who paid for it is relevant to the concept of a "Right" to fly is
beyond me. You appear to be confusing the social contract, or the right
to services paid for with your taxes, with Inalienable Rights. There is
no Right to set foot in an airport (the property of others), much less
get on a plane. You may have a contractually created obligation for the
airline to transport you, but that is subject to limitations, a
reasonable one of which would be denying you passage, and refunding you
your airfare, if you are deemed a risk to the safety of the flight.

It's a common piece of lefty newspeak to call things you have as part of
some social contract: you pay taxes/into welfare, therefore you get
services and a safety net, with your Rights, which have nothing to do
with the government or society, and are yours by birth. We actually
ceded some of our Rights to the state as part of the Constitution, but
reserve those powers not specifically ceded, at least in the US.

That's one of the big differences between being a Citizen and a Subject.
A Citizen is sovereign, and the state their servant; a subject has only
those privileges the sovereign (in most of Europe, that is the state, in
monarchies, it is the monarch) grants them.





> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blue Boar [mailto:BlueBoar () thievco com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:18 PM
> To: Tomas L. Byrnes
> Cc: funsec () linuxbox org; RandallM
> Subject: Re: [funsec] When are we going to start profiling? WAS RE:
> Don't spend too much time in the bathroom...PLEASE
>
> Are you under the impression that the TSA is implementing the will of
> the airlines? And who paid for the airports?
>
>                               BB
>
> Tomas L. Byrnes wrote:
> > Because lots of other people have to spend money and do things to
> make
> > the flight possible.
> >
> > Rights are things that you have sui generis that someone has to
> actively
> > take away from you. Not things that others have to actively provide.
> >
> > Frankly, Airlines should be entitled to not accept passengers on the
> > basis that they would cause anxiety in other passengers, since they
> are
> > private entities trying to make a profit.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Blue Boar [mailto:BlueBoar () thievco com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:02 PM
> > > To: Tomas L. Byrnes
> > > Cc: RandallM; funsec () linuxbox org
> > > Subject: Re: [funsec] When are we going to start profiling? WAS RE:
> > > Don't spend too much time in the bathroom...PLEASE
> > >
> > > Tomas L. Byrnes wrote:
> > > > No-one has a RIGHT to get on an airplane (or to enter an airport,
> > for
> > > > that matter).
> > > Why not?
> > >
> > >                            BB
> >
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