Re: [privacy] U.S. Government to Ask Courts to Toss Phone

["Brian Loe" <knobdy () gmail com>]

On 6/12/06, coderman <coderman () gmail com> wrote:
> On 6/12/06, Brian Loe <knobdy () gmail com> wrote:
> > ...
> > The odds are slim to the point of these searches being, at best, a
> > waste of time. At worst, naturally, they may be a distraction from the
> > stereotypical guy wearing big shoes. If they hold to an "unbiased",
> > every fourth passenger (or whatever)...
>
> but you see what would happen if "they" decided that children under 12
> or frail elderly over 80 were not to be searched, right?  the drug
> mules are an interesting view into this situation (i can dig up a
> paper if you're interested)

Drugs and bombs are apples and oranges.

> likewise, the 'SSSS' designation is fairly pointless since the bad guy
> knows not to attempt to board if he gets one stamped on his ticket.

Agreed.

> i don't know what the right solution is, but it's not a free pass for
> children and the elderly (this would be abused) nor is it the 'SSSS'
> based searches.

What free pass? They still have to go through the metal detectors and
their luggage is still searched!


> armed pilots behind reinforced cockpits and air marshals at least
> provide some degree of actual protection.

Yeah, 1 in how many flights is there a martial? And have you read up
on the armed pilot program? Unless something has changed that I
haven't heard about, its a bitch to get in and even if you pass the
course your airline might still prevent you from carrying.

> did you have to or did they tell you it was required?  it's my
> understanding that you still do not have to show ID to fly, though
> this will get you the third degree search and you can expect them to
> pressure you for ID and possibly even tell you it is required.
>
> you don't _have_ to, though :)

They stated it was required (and I'm not going to subject my daughter
to any more reality than I have to). I know of what you speak - in the
circles I used to run it was often discussed, as was being asked for
your "papers" at a NARC stop, etc.. However, a lot of these rules/laws
have changed since 9/11 and I'm not too sure it isn't *required* now.
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