RE: Student arrested over Counter Strike map

["Jeffrey Sharpe" <jsharpe () cyberlynk net>]

I don't post to this list hardly at all, but in this instance, I think I
have to side with Brian in this.  

Now I agree that some things have no place on an airplane, I also think that
if the airline industry had taken the separation of the pilots from the
passengers into account when trying to come up with ways to deal with
Hijackings long ago, we would probably have been much better off on 9/11.  

Granted that guns and knives on a plane are bad things all around when you
have people willing to die to kill others, but what about pepper spray?  Not
generally considered as deadly, but for the most part will incapacitate
someone.  I would be more than willing to let people have pepper spray on an
airplane that I am on.  Sure, it could get bad if there is an issue with
someone with bad intentions, but which is better, to have a bunch of people
that have been spraying pepper spray around like crazy, or a plane being
crashed into a building?

Now I go to put on my Flame retardant suit!  :p

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Jeffrey Sharpe
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-----Original Message-----
From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On
Behalf Of Brian Loe
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 6:12 PM
To: John Forrister
Cc: funsec () linuxbox org
Subject: Re: [funsec] Student arrested over Counter Strike map

On 5/4/07, John Forrister <John () segfault com> wrote:

<SNIP>
> The same is true of a hammer, a fork, or a pen.

You had me going for a minute...

> Now, on to airplanes specifically:
>
> Regardless of the intent of the person with a given object, there are a
> lot of legitimate reasons to ban explosives, firearms, pepper spray, etc
> from airplanes (and, in some cases, the public at large).

This is buying into exactly what may be to blame for all of those kids
getting killed at VT. Its the difference between the kids who had
opportunity to act and the old Holocaust survivor who acted - and gave
his life. While its obvious to anyone with a brain why explosives
provide no benefit to anything good on a plane, I - and I'm sure
millions of others - are absolutely lost looking for a reason not to
allow people carry firearms, pepper spray, knives, lighters, or a
bottle of water onto an airplane.

> Some of them
> have to do with malicious people.  Others are simply safety concerns -
> the discharge of a firearm, whether intentional or accidental, on an
> airplane can have immediate, disastrous consequences for all involved.

How so? You don't actually believe the Hollywood shtick that a simple
bullet will tear out a massive hole in the fuselage of a plane do you?

>  Same for a can of pepper spray, or the rupture
> and ignition of an oxygen cylinder required by a passenger for medical
> reasons.

Yep, you watch too much television.

> On another note, it's interesting (and kind of sad) that if he'd offered
> to sell the map for the game as a 'Training Simulation' to the local
> SWAT team instead of just playing it and owning a hammer, he could
> probably have made a bundle of money for his efforts, and not be in
> trouble right now.

Name a single instance where the SWAT team entered a school before the
killer had already finished killing his victims and himself? SWAT,
police and sheriff departments have little use for such training tools
- they simply need the forms to fill out and a pen, that's what they
do in these situations...count the bodies, tell the parents. Not a job
I would want for sure.
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